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Ok, so I've lately had lots of problems with ati cards

my own system (with a radeon 9600 se), in windows 98 (se) blender stops responding after rendering (which opens another window)

fast enough otherwise (no speed issues, haven't thorughly tested)


I see nobody complaining about this anywhere
(probably should check graphics card thread on blender.org thourghly though)

well anyways, in linux (SuSE 8.2) I can't seem to get them to work. I get an error whenever blender starts (just after it opens the window) and blender quits. The error (which apparently google has only 5 times total) is:
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FATAL: fglX11FreeBuffer: firegl_FreeBuffer() failed!
Trace/breakpoint trap
(... grr, though I guess I still have settings to try changing in the config)

well anways, the problems continue

over the past two days I have been trying to get windows xp installed on a new computer (assembled by yours truly). Well anyways the installer goes through the first part fine (format, copy files, reboot) and always would shut off the video (and then freeze as evidenced by numlock having no effect, and sometimes reboot) as it detected the hardware as part of the next stage of the instal. I thought orignally that it was the 200Gb hard drive (yum), but the drivers for it [or the ide controller card it is on] (both on the cd and on the floppy that came with the card) worked fine. I managed to get windows installed and working by putting in my geforce 2 mx 400 (pci), but when I put the ati card (hercules prophecy ati radeon 7500 dual head 128Mb or something like that) back in I had the same driver problems. I noticed it came from WINDOWS TRYING TO LOAD IT'S OWN ATI RADEON 7500 DRIVER. (bleh). Safe mode worked fine and thanks to my mom (it is her computer...) I was able to get the drivers installed without using the setup.exe ati installer (which refused to instal the drivers in safe mode because it couldn't detect the hardware and direct x drivers/versions).

Bleh, well anyways it works now and doesn't have the rendering problem my system suffers from.


(maybe I should splurge on windows xp for christmas, too bad that I run linux too kind of...)

it is interesting microsoft has ati drivers included with windows xp, from the number of clean 2k instals (and 98, but they number less) I've done for school I always have to go get the driver disks to get reasonable output, but the standard drivers work fine.

(it really sucks windows decided to load the drivers on it's own, as little sense as that makes)

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should I rant about how I've had interesting problems with nvidia drivers too?

(I forgot to mention that the drivers for my radeon on my system (windows 98) that were included with the card didn't install at all...)
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i have the same card... albeit with win xp...

do you have the latest catalyst drivers? i've always heard complaints about ati drivers but i have personally never had a problem with my past 3 radeon cards.
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many linux drivers have the same problem (Crash when rendering to window) solution has been to render in display (dispwin) and therefore you don't see too many complaints. No experience with newer (radeon) drivers under windows, but I remember the older ati drivers being awefull. So I guess some things are still the same ? :-?
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Doesn't ATI stand for Another Trashy Implementation?

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i have the same card... albeit with win xp...

do you have the latest catalyst drivers? i've always heard complaints about ati drivers but i have personally never had a problem with my past 3 radeon cards.
I initally installed the 3.8 catalyst drivers (from the website, the included ones didnt' work) and am running 3.9 now
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One of the problems with older ATI stuff was the proliferation of drivers and driver versions between ATI and vendors without too much rhyme or reason. They would also switch graphics chipsets on a card of the same model requiring a totally different driver. I think the newer drivers are better in that regard, though I think they still make you go to the vendor for mobility chipsets? Anyhow, this says nothing about the quality of the driver itself.
Another problem is how much they support OpenGL- have they concentrated all their effort on the DirectX driver and left the OpenGL lacking? this leads to a card thats mostly just good for games.
I wonder how the new cards from XGI will shape up....
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I think they still make you go to the vendor for mobility chipsets?
they do still, reasonable mobile computer people have reasonable support that would provide them (if you can get over their web site. dell has an evil support page)


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I wonder how the new cards from XGI will shape up....
XGI was once trident (iirc) and I have 2 systems with trident cards (integrated into motherboard, integrated into laptop). They work, but don't have opengl acceleration (and not much in the way of directx, but they are old cards...)

I feel they will go the way of matrox, it could have been good a few years ago kind of thing...
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I love ATI's hardware but yes, the drivers SUCK. Mine is an older AIW (radeon 7500 chipset) and it's always been trouble, especially on XP. Still causes BSOD's almost weekly.

I ran it successfully under Mandrake 8.0, although the open gl seemed buggy (couple of crashes) but that may have been my open gl install, not the card (or even something else, I'm new to linux. And of course no TV or video capture on linux. Just upgraded to Mandrake 9.2, seems more stable now, but to soon to tell.
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My Radeon 8500 LE (as I've mentioned many times before here at Elysiun) works just fine. Software and all.
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(or even something else, I'm new to linux. And of course no TV or video capture on linux. Just upgraded to Mandrake 9.2, seems more stable now, but to soon to tell.
I also have an old ATI RAGE FURRY............. Allthough in Win XP it doesn't work o.k. with Blender, I don't have any problems when I run Blender, from Linux.........

For TV imput/output, Linux users should try these ATI drivers from the Gatos project:

http://gatos.sourceforge.net/

I have tried it and they work just fine........

I hope this helps........
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I just got a new PC
one problem, i had to download the drivers 4 my 9200 :-|
right, drivers diddnt work, i first had to down the SP1 aw... @ my 56k
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