3D Character Artist Internship - $15/hr Fulltime

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Hi all!

My name is Sam Dutter and I am a Character Artist that freelances making VR Avatars. I am currently looking for an assistant/intern to help with retopology, UV mapping, and other 3D tasks.

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Thanks to everyone that applied!

Please review the information there and direct any questions through the form. It will also go over requirements and expectations.

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Thanks so much! Looking forward to hearing from you. :grin:

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Hi, Sam;

Is this position freelance A.K.A. contract, or is it an internship, or is it full-time employment? These terms have specific legal meanings in the US and elsewhere, and those three in particular are mutually exclusive.

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It is a freelance contract for 40 hours of paid work every week. :wink:

You sure about that? Because at 40 hours you (the employer) have to pay taxes whether it’s a contract or a full time job… calling it freelance doesn’t exempt you from the various laws in place regarding 40 hour per week jobs, and trust me, there are a lot.

You’re also going to run into a bunch of other nasty US Labor Laws; for example, you have to pay minimum wage at 40 hours, and at 15 per hr, you’ve just eliminated anyone living in Washington, California, etc, or rather made it illegal for yourself to hire someone from those states.

I’d recommend you drop this to 39 hours- actually, I’d recommend 34 so you don’t have to worry about Obamacare either. Really, I’d recommend you research this a bit more

is minimum wage relevant to freelance employment? as far as i know the freelancer is himself responsible to get a reasonable hourly rate, unlike an employee

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It doesn’t matter once you hit that magic 40-hour number- everything changes once you’re working 40 hours a week. Again, I encourage independent research here; the information is out there and it is very important to know, on both sides (employee and employer). 35 hours is also a number where federal law starts taking a hard look at what is happening, “freelance” or not, and you do not want to be found in violation of those laws either. Look it up, be safe :slight_smile:

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I’m going to assume that you have the best of intentions with this post. That being said, I think you have some misunderstandings.

I appreciate you providing me the opportunity to educate you and anyone else reading this thread.

Your primary misunderstanding comes from your vague distinction between an Employee and a Freelancer. In the eyes of the government these are legally distinct.

  1. “Calling it Freelance”
  • I will be hiring a Freelancer with a 1099 form.
  • Employers only pay taxes on W-2 Employees.
  • 1099 does not equal a W-2
  • Freelancers are not Employees- Freelancers are self employed and required to pay the taxes on the income themselves.
  • The employer does not pay or withhold taxes for freelancers.
  • Link to IRS
  1. “Have to Pay Minimum Wage”
    -Freelancers do not have a minimum wage.
    -This is because Freelancers are NOT Employees
    “Independent contractors are not entitled to the minimum wage because, even though they do work for a company, they are not legally considered employees of that company. Independent contractors—such as consultants and freelancers—work for hire.”

  2. “Obamacare”
    -Since freelancers are self employed, and not employees, they do not qualify for Obamacare
    -“Generally, if you run your own business and have no employees, or are self-employed, your business won’t qualify for group coverage. You can purchase qualified health coverage through the Marketplace for individuals and families.”

My goal with equating my job listing with minimum wage is to provide a similar wage, but through a freelance contract. The job itself will still be contractual since I am not looking to have an employee, but a freelancer, work for me.

Hope this helps!

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Equating your job listing with minimum wage will not provide a similar wage for a self-employed freelancer. Self-employed freelancers are responsible for their own equipment, which costs money, have no employer-covered insurance, which costs money, pay their own social security, which costs money, have administrative obligations that cost time (and thus money), and on top of all that they take an inherent risk of instability working as a freelancer. All of those different things drive up the hourly wage for self-employed freelancers. I personally live in Western Europe and I’m not 100% familiar with what costs freelancers in NA come across, but I can tell you that, living in a town with not a particularly high cost of living (i.e. not a big city) assuming a stable (which it rarely is for freelancers) gross income of 2400 USD a month, I’d not be able to cover my professional costs, pay my taxes, insurance costs and after all that still make my month to month living costs with the current inflation situation.

You’re also simultaneously calling this job “a full-time paid internship” and “a contractual $15/hr full-time freelance position”. Which is it? If they’re working under a freelance contract they’re not an intern, they would have costs and responsibilities besides working for you that no intern should or would have. An intern “working as a freelancer” would, extremely importantly, lose all labour rights/protections all workers deserve (Though I’m not sure about intern labour rights in the US).

To me, it looks like you’re trying to hire someone to work for you full-time, but without having any administrative obligations yourself, avoiding the responsibilities that come with being an employer, while at the same time offering (in a lot of cases below) minimum wage. 15$/h for an intern is great, especially considering interns often don’t even get paid at all, so this is very commendable, I think it is unethical for companies to not pay interns. However, 15$/h for someone who’s self-employed would not cut it, unless I suppose they’re living in a low-cost country, I don’t know much about that though.

I understand you’re trying to limit costs, but if you’re looking for an intern who can learn and build experience working for you and offer limited assistance in workload, great but hire them directly and offer them the relative safety that workers would have. If you’re looking for someone to do qualitative work for you without you having to offer them a stable employee position, I wouldn’t conceal your low hourly payment under the veil of an internship.

Here’s a decent resource that can help you give an idea of what the rates of freelancers are, particularly in Western Europe. The page is in Dutch, however, you should be able to right-click it and translate it in your browser. https://www.freelancenetwork.be/nl/freelance-tarieven

I hope this helps you give a better idea of why the rates of freelancers are what they are, and why 15$/h is not an attractive offer for someone who is self-employed. Keep in mind that most of my insights on this come from being a self-employed freelancer in Europe, and there might be slight differences in the US, that said there’s a lot of overlap as well. I hope this clears up why this offer is probably a bit controversial, and feel free to let me know if anything I said is unclear (:

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$15/hr … i’m puzzled… this would be slightly more than working at McDonalds :question:

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I think the point has been made that this rate is lower than what many freelancers expect, no need to add additional replies to that effect :slight_smile: if this is less than what you’d like to make, it’s probably not a job you should apply for, but if it sounds good to you, you probably should :slight_smile:

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I’ve definitely put in 40hour weeks on freelance projects. But they were project based, not full time.

If you’ve got a lot of work to do, you can bundle multiple projects together and issue those out a contract at a time, at a fixed price. Just pay for the work to be done, not the hours worked, and that’ll steer clear of most employment laws. You can work with the same contractor over and over on multiple projects, as long as those projects are distinct and billed separately. Just my $0.02 - IANAL

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