A better conserved Gioconda in El Prado - Madrid

21 February will be presented in Louvre - Paris a better conserved Gioconda from El Prado - Madrid.

It is thought that it was the copy where Leonardo and disciples painted before painting on the final wood painting of the Louvre. Probably where he practiced new techniques and then translated them to the final picture.

Here is the Louvre one on the left very bad quality, and the one from El Prado to the right. The complete picture will be seen by first time on 21 February on the Louvre.

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg822/scaled.php?server=822&filename=giocondaprado.jpg&res=medium

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2012/02/01/cultura/1328093070.html

In CNN now

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/120201053606-mona-lisa-prado-copy-horizontal-gallery.jpg

She looks much more youthful and pleasant in the El Prado one… I had heard that one was painted by a pupil of Leonardo’s in one of the news bits I read, am I correct?

I can understand not wanting to do any extensive restorations on the Louvre one… the technique that Leonardo used to paint it does tend to “age” in color, etc as time goes by, if that makes sense. Perhaps Leonardo intended it that way- but we will never know, will we? The man was quite an enigma himself.

Either way, the El Prado painting is still a great find and a beautiful piece of work. :smiley:

“Infrared images of the Prado painting were compared with those from the original and conservators found that the underdrawings were similar – providing compelling evidence that the two works were executed at the same time.” (http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2012/feb/01/new-mona-lisa-prado)

They see using infrared the same corrections so they know both images were painted side by side. They say the master was painting the original and probably one of his disciples was painting this one. If you don’t see these same corrections to the painting you know it would be a copy done later because they would be copying the final picture.
For example one of the corrections they can see using infrared is the mouth, that was not smiling initially.
The great thing is to see how much better the picture was compared to the darken it appears today. You can see in the El Prado one clearly a lot of details for example the hair and dress that are lost in the Louvre one.
I hope someone post a high resolution image when it goes public, the presentation is 20 February.

The size of both pictures is very similar: 77x53 cm. Louvre and 76x57 cm. El Prado

That must have been what I read, then. It’s a lovely painting and as I said, Signora del Giocondo looks very youthful, lively and pleasant in the El Prado one (and far less melancholy). :smiley: What a nice surprise.

Today a presentation of the picture and then it goes to France some months. From the video I captured several stills and did a composite.
A curiosity is the 666 text on the lower left.

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2012/02/21/cultura/1329823289.html

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/4029/666qns.jpg

See below comparation images.

Side by side the two pictures: (right click and View Image to see them fully)

http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/246/21feb3.jpg

The Louvre image has no eyebrowns.
The El Prado has eyebrowns. I see the eyebrowns were cut to very fine lines, perhaps was the fashion on that epoch for women?

I believe it was… to cut them very fine or tint them to be light in color. Might I add that she looks much healthier in the El Prado image.

In this wikipedia page there are links to high resolution images.

Louvre image very very high res (89 Mb jpg use a download manager or it will stall) (this image was altered because the original has the colors in post 9, not the colors in this. This was altered to try to figure the colors if the picture were restaured (and the one doing the photoshopping clearly was wrong in some colors like the El Prado image shows, for example in the red of the forearms). I don’t know why Louvre can’t restaure the picture but they don’t want to do it.) (The restauration don’t consists in paint above the image, but only remove the layers of dirt on it)

El Prado before cleaning (the dark tint was added 200 years ago)

El Prado after cleaning (I see they altered the colors like in a Flow effect, my composite in post 7 is probably
more like the original is)

and there are also other interesting images there.

Eh, alguno viviendo en Madrid puede ir y sacarle varias fotos y luego hacemos un composite de 89MB tambien?
Hey, can someone living in Madrid take several photos to the picture and then we do a composite of 89MB too?

Hi, Bao. My girlfriend and I are planning to go to El Prado this weekend and will probably take some pictures.

Yo tengo una Panasonic TZ10, una compacta de viaje, pero ella tiene una Canon EOS de carrete. Puede que la convenza para que la lleve y saque algunas fotos, que seguro que lo hace bastante mejor que yo. :smiley:

De carrete? Yo creo que la digital será mucho mejor. Saca por ejemplo 4 fotos, con zoom a cada cuadrante y luego hacemos un composite.
Pero bueno, a ver como sale pues va a ser dificil que en interior salga bien sin estar movida o asi.
Una curiosidad, ya me dirás si viendola con el ojo los colores de la cara son los del post 7 (se ve rosada) o es como en la foto de la derecha en el post 9 donde no se aprecia ese color en la cara.

I think simply using the digital camera would be better than the old analogic one. Take 4 photos, zooming on each quadrant and then composite them.
Probably will be difficult to take in the Museum interior without flash and such.
A curiosity: the face color is like in post 7 or like in post 9 when you see it with your naked eye?

On the left is the GIoconda from Louvre.
To the right is my “restauration”. (Previously such restorations looked like this because we didn’t knew how the original colors were. But now with El Prado copy we know and it comes to life again)

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/1766/giocondarestaured.jpg

Here it says that the first apparition on an inventory of the museum El Prado was on 1666. So 666 again…

Here is an interesting video showing close-ups of the eyes. The eyebrowns are as already said in a fashion way I didn’t knew they used at the epoch.

In that page there is also a image of El Prado picture and it has wrong colors. The second image below shows a comparation of the image on the page to the video that shows much vivid colors (look the red fabric of the forearms). I think the video has the right colors, look the face of the guy.

(Right click on the images and choose View Image (with middle mouse button to open on a new tab) to see in their original resolution.)

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/2333/ojosy.jpg
http://imageshack.us/f/197/ojosy.jpg/

http://img816.imageshack.us/img816/7777/realcolor.jpg

I finally went to El Prado yesterday and saw this painting. Unfortunately, taking pictures inside the museum is absolutely forbidden and since there is so much novelty surrounding this piece, a guard was constantly standing next to the painting so I couldn’t steal any picture. :frowning:

Maybe if the next Blendiberia is held in Madrid and you decide to join, you can seize the opportunity to come to El Prado yourself. :wink:

Am I the only one that noticed the 666?

Read post #7 by Bao.