Am I the only one?

[cekuhnen]

@Richard Culver

It has been a good 8+ years since 2.5. A lot has happened. There is a lot that needs to happen. But even though 2.8 is a fairly large leap, at least there is a track record with this development team of staying on course and not giving up.

And i still know some former students who stuck to the pre 2.5 UI - crazy …

[Safetyman]

@Richard Culver

I don’t think it is big changes that are needed. Even Ton admits that making large leaps is usually frowned upon my experienced developers. And both 2.5 and 2.8 are/were just that. Although 2.5 worked. But it is not usual to expect that. Anyway it makes sense to me.

I think if there is anything that goes wrong is when 1) users expect some drastic change. 2) developers are foolish/inexperienced enough to think they can.

The best practice is to have long range goals in place, make those goals clear and known, stick to them, extend deadlines as needed, but overall make steady progress and try and not allow drastic dramatic personnel changes that also mark drastic changes in direction and plans. Companies that know their business operate this way. Those that don’t fail. And they fail after a long duration of fantastic unrealistic goals never met and a product that never reaches anywhere near stated goals.

It has been a good 8+ years since 2.5. A lot has happened. There is a lot that needs to happen. But even though 2.8 is a fairly large leap, at least there is a track record with this development team of staying on course and not giving up.

Quoting myself: “…somewhat big changes”. If adding a new rendering engine (EEVEE), revamping the layers system, etc. aren’t somewhat big changes, I don’t know what is.

Anyway, I agree with you for the most part, but my point was that if you don’t take risks you’ll never improve enough to make a difference. Carry on.

[cekuhnen]

@Safetyman

Quoting myself: “…somewhat big changes”. If adding a new rendering engine (EEVEE), revamping the layers system, etc. aren’t somewhat big changes, I don’t know what is.

Well yes and no - the new collection took me one look at the Wiki to understand how it works. eeVee yes thats a nice new step forward too but it does not 100% change Blender.

And yes I agree good risks are taken here because I am very sure that the end result will be perfect.

But I think you are more making a comment about needed improvements/evolutions - Richard was more talking about radical changes.

[Richard_Culver]

@Safetyman

Anyway, I agree with you for the most part, but my point was that if you don’t take risks you’ll never improve enough to make a difference. Carry on.

Sure. Nothing wrong with that. Definitely. Not sue why I was commenting on that. I guess it is because I have this idea that when people are completely inept at something they don’t know how to properly manage change over time.

And that is perhaps another subject.

And I was talking about mostly looking at a mountain of change - that needs to happen - and not understanding it has to come one truck load at a time. That is a lot of trucks and a lot of dirt, money, sweat and effort.

[Herbert123]

So far, in my testing the latest 2.8 alpha builds, I am loving the new collections. Proper layering at last. That objects can be part of multiple collections is icing on the cake. It blows the old layer system out of the water.

The old layer system was the one thorn in my eye - the second thorn being that it is not possible to define your own custom tool sets and hide/display tools and (parts of) panels and save that in a workspace.

[Ranstone]

I went from:
Blender 2.4ish to 2.78 or whatever.
Blender internal to Cycles.
Windows XP to Mac OSX Lion, then back to Windows 7
Moho to Adobe Flash.
Shooting a longbow arrow-outside to arrow-inside.
left handed to Right handed.(very early age)

And I periodically completely re-evaluate my political, religious, and academic beliefs from the ground up.

As o’l Charlie Darwin said:
“it is not the strong which survive, but the ones most responsive to change”