Blender 2.8 development thread

[kriptonboy]

Did ambient occlusion and bloom stop working on this last build or am I missing something?

[Romanji]

I welcome the new functionality of collections but i have doubt regarding navigation/presentation.
I somehow find it way too over-complex with its doubled entries in the hierarchies, and the fact that it is all in one window.
I would prefer 2 editors, the collections as the driver for the visibility in the outliner. This might be easy to create with just a workspace/layout, but i find the default behavior confusing. Not to mention the outliner as a whole clumsy and limited.

[YAFU (English is not my native language)]

@pitiwazou

Most of the time when something new is great, there is no issue, everyone know it will work.
It’s like that for eevee and workbench, but not for the top bar.

Well, let’s criticize that too, it’s free for us (you know we love you devs)
In Workbench at the moment I do not like that in certain positions of view some faces/edges are not well differentiated, even with shadows enabled.
If you compare default cube with solid view in 2.79 and you orbit the view, you get cube faces always distinguishable, but in 2.8 Workbench in some positions some faces look very similar without a distinguishable boundary between them.
Maybe I’m doing something wrong, or maybe it’s still in plans to be improved.

EDIT:
Oh, I was definitely doing something wrong.
Apparently the “default studio light” shader is the one that presents the problem. With two of other three options the faces are much more distinguishable between them

[erickBlender]

Here is video using the snap tool and the new xray thanks for your work dev. retopo 2.8 Bye bye wireframe

[pitiwazou]

I still want wireframe back!

https://twitter.com/atmind/status/1000032099104116736

[Dantus]

Do you have a source for that?

[erickBlender]

source For what?

[SterlingRoth]

A source for wireframe being removed

[erickBlender]

Did you watch the video? There is the source at the end

[Ace_Dragon]

Campbell has been doing a lot of UI changes today.

So amid all the UI and usability discussion here, keep in mind that everything is still in a heavily WIP state and that the Code Quest has at least one more month with all of the current developers. Also keep in mind that if the BF was a commercial vendor, we wouldn’t even see anything until the marketing material for SIGGRAPH was ready.

[Regnas (• I don't speak English "by default", so...)]

@Ace_Dragon

everything is still in a heavily WIP state

Wake me when dockable windows/panels, customizable menus and floating windows are implemented.

[Ace_Dragon]

@Regnas

Wake me when dockable windows/panels, customizable menus and floating windows are implemented

On the part in bold, the video by ErickBlender showed a floating window displaying some of the options in the preferences, does that count?

[SonicBlue]

Those companies have a lot of beta testers who are experts in their software, there’s a lot of stuff that happens behind the scenes, mostly to avoid espionage by concurrent companies.

Blender Foundation has this forum and its user (not only) to do the tests, if we keep silent and wait until the project is done, and there’s something obvious that the team missed, who’s going to fix it? Another Code Quest next year?

[Regnas (• I don't speak English "by default", so...)]

Can’t see videos where I’m at moment, but if they are working on it that’s good news.

[Ace_Dragon]

@SonicBlue

Blender Foundation has this forum and its user (not only) to do the tests, if we keep silent and wait until the project is done, and there’s something obvious that the team missed, who’s going to fix it? Another Code Quest next year?

I’m not arguing against feedback right now, I’m arguing against drawing conclusions (because it’s obvious the current feedback has already led to changes to make 2.8 better and more usable).

So keep the feedback coming, but do acknowledge there is still plenty of time for suggestions and proposals to be heard.

[jovlem]

About those new area light types updates:
Will changing the size affect the size of shadows?
It does in cycles but does it also work in Eevee?

[SterlingRoth]

Shadows are currently not fully developed in eevee, scaling the area light will not effect the softness of the shadow.

[jovlem]

OK, thank you!

But is it possible to make it work ( an approximation )?

I gues it works different but would love to see something like this in Eevee:

[0o00o0oo]

Sheez, so many posts, so much I want to respond to, haha.

@MartinZ

I think it’s possible to go further than Maya has with pie menus and also further than what most people are currently making with pie menus.

Definitely. Combining with modifier keys makes a lot of sense.

@MartinZ

Maya is no standard at all - it’s just another software package not even leading these days, nothing special about it. This sounds very arrogant. I think pie menus make a lot of sense that’s all. There are no standards in the industry the way I see it - just what somebody happens to be used to.

Well, I’m reflecting on my education, the education offered in many schools, the animation software being used by various film and game companies. I consistently see Maya more than any other software, which indicates widespread usage, which makes it a standard, if not the standard.

But, again, I only advocate this because it makes the artist so much more efficient.

@pitiwazou

Look pie menu editor addon

Well, yes, I know about it, but… it’s a paid add-on, haha. Like we shouldn’t need to pay for an add-on to be able to easily change hotkeys. I just think it should be the same with pie menus. =)

@JustinBarrett

I always cringe when I hear the term “industry standard”…no such thing…standards are things that are maintained by one organization and used by all others…like OGL or Dolby etc…you get my point…

No need to cringe. The task is called “Industry Standard Keymap” for a reason. Like it or not, Maya is pretty much the industry standard for animation work. That doesn’t automatically make everything Maya does good, but they did good with the marking menus.

@MartinZ

I think all everyday functions could be mapped to gestures like this. You can see them if you do not remember but then when your muscles do remember… it should be a whole new level of speed.

I agree, this should be the driving philosophy behind pie menus. But at the same time, having additional menus as the bottom item as Maya does also adds to functionality.

@pitiwazou

https://developer.blender.org/rBb11a1d5da26fa2906955e54254672b1af075d0dc

Could allow popup panel to stay visible.
Lets hope addons could use it too.

YES. Now we just need that for duplicated windows and it’ll resolve the windows-not-staying-on-top problem. Will make so many people happy.

@Hadriscus

Unfortunately this does not work with blender’s pie menus… pies have to be spawned before the user can select any of its contents, while in Maya we can just, as in your example, drag a path that leads to the desired item without waiting for the pie to even appear.

Are you sure about this? I tested Blender’s pie menus just last night and it seems to do this (just not right-click). You hold the hotkey for a pie menu, then quickly drag in the general direction of the item, and quickly let go before the menu items completely appear. Maybe not as natural as Maya’s version, but the ability seems to be there.

@TheRedWaxPolice

Pie menus are not standard on right click, regular menus are… So it’s probably not a good idea for the standard keymap…

Agreed, that’s why I suggested it for the industry standard keymap, not Blender’s new keymap.

[zeauro]

@burnin

to which collection does selected object belongs too? (yes, it’s last in line thus occluded)

Same problem in 2.79 with a collapsed hierarchy or groups.
Show Active operator is still there.
You can disable Collections grouping display in filters pop-up.

@burnin

& where’s ‘only rendered’ now?

It is button sticked to Overlays popover in 3DView header.
Definitely an improvement. A quicker access than in 2.79.