Devastating internet censorship plan (new SOPA) to be put in practice starting July!

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/15/american-isps-to-launch-massive-copyright-spying-scheme-on-july-12/

I just saw those articles in a post. I was shocked to say the least, and decided to post this on several forums I frequent so the word can be spread.

In summary, all major American ISP’s are implementing a system to spy on their users in order to police copyright infringement. There was no legal debate let alone any discussion with the users, and this decision was simply taken and will be applied starting 1 or 12 July. Users considered to be infringing copyright will be punished in several ways… such as their internet being cut off, selective websites being censored, their bandwidth being lowered, and if the offense is repeated users will be constrained to go to special copyright lessons to be allowed on the internet again.

I believe that this is the worst attack initiated against internet users in the US, worse than what SOPA and ACTA were meant to be. If what’s said about this initiative is true, something worse than SOPA is already being put in practice starting next week. It’s clear that the government and / or Hollywood have started another backroom deal, this time asking ISP’s to pretend they’ve taken the decision on their own so they could censor the internet without any debate in the house or senate (which as proven by SOPA would not pass).

I couldn’t begin describing how horrible and surreal this is after what I read. It will be used to cut users off the internet, and even worse to purposely humiliate them in spite (copyright lessons required to access the internet, and lowered data transfer rates as punishment). It will also be used to spy on any website you access, and for the first time in the history of America you will be completely watched by your ISP. They might even be able to read private emails you send / receive. Those are unspeakable practices which could only be imagined in countries like Libia or North Korea.

I don’t believe I need to point out that users will not be punished for real copyright infringements only, but false negatives will exist and be heavily abused. Technically, if your ISP believes you are stupid for accessing a website they don’t like (which they can now spy on) they may easily invent a claim and cut you off the internet without being questioned by anyone. This will obviously be used for censorship on political subjects and worse too.

Every internet user needs to act urgently, more than they have for SOPA / PIPA last winter. If this decision is not undone, I’m even expecting riots to take place. I’m also hoping that major websites like Google or Wikipedia will do another blackout in awareness to this. At this point I strongly support a criminal investigation to see who’s behind those unprecedented attacks on internet users, and believe someone needs to be sentenced to prison for both this and what happened with SOPA.

The only thing I ask of everyone is to please re-post this and spread awareness immediately! We need everyone to know about this fast, so we can have time to protest and / or sign petitions against it. Lets hope this can be stopped before the unthinkable happens, otherwise there will no longer be internet for most of us.

I have some good news everyone. It seems the project was delayed until past this July. There’s no specific date as to when they wish to implement it, although evil corporations and ISP’s are still hoping this year.

That likely means they are scared, and have taken notice people are revolted. This is our chance to react and give them a good scare. What I hope will happen is people establishing a date when they can go to their ISP and protest… maybe knock at their door and have a nice heated discussion (I don’t wish to imagine a worse scenario yet).

If such happens the project will certainly be killed, and we would further send a message to those who wish to crush the internet so they understand once and for all we’ll never accept it in any form. Including those who support CISPA, who they hopefully understand will also not pass for the sake of both sides and everyone else.

On a separate note, I would like to inform everyone of something even more important. CISPA is going to expire soon and will be voted in the senate… probably secretly and under the desk like we’ve been used to seeing (so no date is known). Everyone who is against it is strongly advised to call their senators ASAP and firmly ask them to vote against it! I don’t have a link but you should be able to find their phone numbers on google and older SOPA / CISPA articles… I’m too tired and outright sick of the whole thing to look them up myself. I consider this even more dangerous than the ISP initiative, and by all means hope this law won’t happen either :frowning: As usual, please spread the word and re-post wherever you can so everyone knows. We need to show the senators those who oppose it are large in number, since as with SOPA they will not be able to vote on a law that everyone is visibly against. The house already passed it, so this is even more urgent for that reason.

who cares? we’re all too busy downloading fart apps from App Store to think about such stupid concepts as freedom…

Although I’ve been bringing a lot of “related news” to this thread since the initial discussion, I again received some shocking news from EFF by email (they’re a serious source of information) about a potential revive of the actual SOPA / PIPA.

http://act.demandprogress.org/act/vs_hollywood/?referring_akid=.661516.qyUGJ6&source=typ-tw

It appears Hollywood is trying to shut down all cloud websites. Basically, it wishes to take down Youtube, Google Drive, and all cloud services out there, the same way Megaupload was removed. The article mentions them trying to circumvent congress so they can force their law through without a vote. What this means is most major websites which allow file storage would be gone… and we are back at SOPA as we know it.

This comes just a few days after I heard about the ISP initiative and an update on CISPA. Jesus Christ… has the world gone completely mad? Are those groups desperate beyond limit to shut down this internet? They now want sites like Youtube to disappear forever… who almost entirely addressed the issue of copyright material being uploaded. Is this even about copyright any more, or is that just a pretext?

Yeah, I agree… this is an outright war with the entertainment industry at this point. I don’t feel like fueling the fire here so people can jump to their own conclusion… I just found the article and linked it. There will probably be more information soon, and if that’s true likely another blackout. Feel free to re-post this post anywhere without asking.

this is about politics this thread should be blocked, like the one about healthcare…

This one pertains to blender. the guy who posted about healthcare had no backing either :stuck_out_tongue:

You can also grow up and discuss something in a mature manner and not force mods having to lock threads :wink:

Considering that only because of 11 guys human and civil rights even inside the US were cut I would not be 100% sure but I am close to say that Hollywood can try as much as they want but the supreme court would in the last instance put an end to this.

In Germany they also go after lawyers who just barrage and stalk people for any ridiculous claim of having violated a copyright, because they simply flood the courts with non-sense law suites in the most cases.

I think something similar would at one point be here as well.

'Course i didn’t even comment on that thread. Your thread your responsibility dude.

gasp This thread is about religion and should be locked!

Almost 1 year and half ago I remember Microsoft wanting to push for a law to fight open source projects (linux, blender,…). Obviously is so ridicously they even not tried (you can always sell your product for 1 euro or so if they obly you to sell it instead giving it away.

Dark is desperate in these times. There is a real War going on and many people sleeping yet.

The way to fight is cooperation instead competition. They rule with competition, making people fight for things that must be not something to fight for but rights of every person in the planet.

Boa yah they all try. However considering piracy it is a problem. With software, music, as well as product and reverse engineering. China copying patents is as bad for the economy as illegally downloading Photoshop and earning money with the work you create with it.

However, not to come across as an Apple fan boy, it is recicolus that a computer maker developed a system to sell digital content, the music/film industry failed to do. The same like Apple and now also Android changed what a cellphone OS should be, not a product, but a platform to build onto.

I wish instead of complaining about illegal downloads, they industry would also adjust to new consumer behaviors and adapt.
I stopped buy CDs a long time ago because often I only wanted one or two songs and that was it.
Today if the store offers the group you can by the single song.

I have few friends who download movies because you cannot even buy them anymore.

Dont misunderstand this as a justification to steal - it rather shows a potential the industry did simply not explore yet.

If they even are successful blocking transmission of data from peer to peer, Humanity will simply go back to human contact giving a movie or a whole hard disk from hand to hand. That was how everyone had his Spectrum games in a time where there was not Internet. Ah the times of the Spectrum 48K !!!
Are they then going to stop human meetings for sharing things?
Sharing is unstoppable. Tell me of a modern movie that tells about sharing and cooperation and moral values? We live in a time (some people don’t believe it) where all is designed to “program” the mind of the people to love division, competition, violence. Instead union, sharing, cooperation, because these values destroy the status quo Dark wants to continue. But it is collapsing to their disbelief.

Artists could be receiving money of the taxes. Everytime a ctitizen watchs a movie or hears a CD and wants to support the artist he could enter a government web, enter his identity number and give the artist a +1. At the end of the month the taxes for artists would be given accordingly to the number of “+1” (Dingto joke here) of each one. You avoid this way artists to need intermediaries that are currently enjoying the money generated with the product.
Taxation today is in every thing. Is just a nightmare. Everything is taxated. This is enslavement and created a huge corruption. Because the taxes are just robbed and not used to create goods for the people. There would be only one tax and there would be transparency and accounting of what is done with the money. A responsable government instead a nest of thieves. In USA is just incredible the amount of people in government and military and intelligence agencies (that work against the people) parasitizing the society. For example, do you know the number of intelligence agencies employed? Is just incredible. Then calculate the amount of money each one is giving and then the amount of money for “material” and so. Military is around 100 times bigger than intelligence agencies budget and another waste of money. Then all the governments that are just doing nothing…

Boa2,

I dont think this iron fist of Internet Data control will ever take place. The time of Stasi, Gestapo, or KGB are long over.

Well Rome had the gladiators. In the middle age people did witch hunts. Before and after 1945 in more than just Germany did the population go after jews. In the USA they hunted escaped slaves. History is simply full of violent episodes.

In some European countries do the think about a culture flat rate to bring money to the artists and thus decriminalize illegal downloads. But that’s a hard system change for every country.

Something will work out. Illegal downloading is also simply illegal downloading.

selective enforcement, just like Obama.
How wonderful.

Welcome to Anarchy, let it burn.

Holyenigma74, please keep that political bashing please outside, ok?

Sharing from friend to friend. I don’t see any illegal on that. But of course if you discover it was not a real friend then it could be illegal. But I forgive all my enemies and consider all the people my friend. :smiley:

As I said, the only problem is that there is not a way for the Artist to receive what they deserve. Almost all the gain is for the intermediaries. You implement a way as I said so people is free to download and then they vote (like PayPal but with voting) if they liked it. Then the taxes just now are going to the pockets of corrupt politicians and friends would be for artists and other things people like and vote for them to receive the recompense to their efforts.
While this system or something like it is not adopted I will not be preocupied about people downloading illegally or whatever. Sorry if anyone is harmed by my opinion but is exactly my thought.

What about those people who make money off of their work through their own businesses, publishing deals, and other forms of commerce, do you really want all of that replaced by the government jacking taxes up to eleven and doling the money out to the creators of those works depending on how many people like it?

The sharing of content may work well in some instances, but there are a lot of artists who would prefer to control how they make money off of their products, it shouldn’t be the government’s job on what avenue they should be (or would be) using to make money off of their work.

Bao2

I think thanks to online technology and changes in media consumption the traditional media company contract is not that vital for everybody. Few bands switched to direct online marketing sales and distribution of their songs via online MP3 shops.

Of course the big companies are still good for marketing etc but the traditional requirement for content distribution is more or less obsolete.

In this case it is up to the artists as well to also explore new opportunities and distribution methods. iTunes for example dropped the DRM requirement because if you want you can or will crack it anyway. Collateral cost damage is distributed as a mini price increasement and thus making up for any piracy loss.

Ace right now in Germany they stupidly released a panilty fee onto computers and media tools like USB sticks. However that money is transfered right to the music and film industry and transfer it to the artists. There are ways to do it right.

However I rather would prefer artists taking control of this on their own. But thats not easy as well - so somehow you need a middle man in between for the shop music mastering etc…

Intermediaries are parasites. Today an artist can put their movies, videos or whatever in some web. People then can click the “paypal alike fund me if you like bro” button (that would be connected to a government web and taxes (OUR MONEY) would be given to the artist). And that is all. They know their business is ending and that is why all the noise they are doing. But their business was flowing with huges amount of dollars that created a huge corruption where movies were blocked of entering the USA and be viewed for the people there. Lots of money for intermediaries bring lot of corruption and controlling (mafia).

No artist would be oblied to put their work in some web and put that lovely “fund me bro if you like”. They would be able to go to the intermediaries or found their own intermediaries business if there are not any intermediary business in their neighborhood. I am talking of freedom, never control.
Today the ruling is coming to extremes such that you can’t sell your iphone (I read this just some days ago I think it was about the iphone. Sorry if I am not remembering well here). And the ruling shortening what people can do with friends (sharing things with them) is for me an attack to our freedoms. Ruling and laws against cooperation will not work. They can try whatever they want. I remember laughing hard when I was reading the antipiracy system on music CDs (that was a complete stupidity and only created problems to the people that buy the original, people that was using pirated versions was enjoying the music cds without problems in mp3 format). And then laughed again when the DVD protection and then the blu-ray protection. I am watching blu-rays in my Linux and I don’t have blu-ray reader or writer!!! Am I lying here?