General Discussion - VEHICLE PHYSICS !!!

[wkk]

@Ace Dragon

Believe it or not though, WYSIWYG design and creation has been a thing since the beginning of the 21st century and the overall trend in game engines favor more visual elements.

There’s a reason why older engines with no visual aspects and an all-code “build everything with text” workflow have either died or have lost most of their users over the years (do you know of anyone now using engines like Crystal Space, Dark Basic, Irrlicht, ect…)? This is about growing the userbase for UPBGE, as the engine’s opportunity for growth will be very limited if it only caters to the existing and former userbase (I mention the latter because they know what it’s like to work in the engine).

I have also mentioned the pushback against visual tools over the years as well and how that could be impacting the potential of the BGE, visual tools for things like UI’s do not have to feel like an inflexible black box (especially if it’s extensible). Not having those tools also betrays the idea of UPBGE being seen as easy to use (what good is that line if you can bang out game logic quickly and easy, and to moderate complexity even, but need hundreds of lines of code and countless trial-and-error tests for basic concepts in other cases)?

I agree that WISIWIG are cool. But who is to make it ? Again, the its not the main focus for the main devs as more important stuff is going on from the insides of the engine. People keep asking as if everything was just to be drag and dropped in the sources…

# ./bge.py
import WISIWIG

# done the BGE is patched guys !

My point is that it can be made temporarely from a BGE app or Blender Addon.

[Ace_Dragon]

@wkk

My point is that it can be made temporarely from a BGE app or Blender Addon.

Granted, the idea of having good-quality interactive visuals via a Blender Addon might actually be doable if UPBGE gets rebased to Blender 2.8 (due to the new stuff related to widgets). I wouldn’t be surprised to see BPR write a bunch (and then they can bundled with your releases).

I would still make the argument to have more visually-based mechanics building in the engine out of the box (for the sake of performance and allowing everything to stay up to date), but the addon approach in a 2.8 based UPBGE might allow for more time until that happens.

[JustinBarrett]

@adriansnetlis

Make a UI system in BGE for debugging that includes dynamic graphing and is easy to use? Challenge accepted! P.S. Now just wait a few days.

Oh god yes…I will use the shit out of it!