I need a fast computer 12 core

I have a limited time frame and thus am I well having to bite the bullet here.

I am looking for a Xeon Opteron based system featuring 12 cores since
I need maximum power.

Intel or AMD I honestly do not have a preference. I went to few placed
were I was blown away but the price tags. I thought Apple was expensive
but AMD and DELL can beat that even more.

Does anybody have a tip where to maybe get a barebone system you can
equip quickly?

I went to places like newegg but it looks they for example do not really have
bundles or sets for server size packages.

do you need a full computer? just a board with 2 proc?
i have been loking for that kind of rig.
actually here is the result of my investigation.
budget friendly high end computer
http://www.titanuscomputers.com/

ebay
you can find some bi xeon quad core for less than 1500 euros but with slow xeon

or this card to buid you own. that way you will be able to overclock a bit.

I finally chose to go for a one intel i7 an to overclock it. More budget friendly
the shop that is building my rig is toletec.de the sheapest computer buider i did found.

Hope it help a bit.
let me know i m interested in your final choice

Didn´t you need an octcore ystd? :smiley:
Seems the deadline´s building up like a Tsunami in front of you…

I´d share my limited knowledge, but it would be great to know what you need to do and under what circumstances.

You need to render stuff?
Is the renderer limited to one machine?
What render engine?
You need to run simulations, calculations, compile stuff?
What´s the budget?
U need it only for one job and sell it again?

Help us help you :smiley:

If someone asks for a recommendation for a “very fast car NAO!!”, one can´t recommend a F1 car with good conscience if you´d need it for Paris-Dakar :smiley:

How about a used Dell Power Edge

Arexma

I need to have 24/7 access to the rendering modul
and I am on a dead line. it is not a project but a series
of tasks to finish.

Thus online rendering or such seems in my case not
the be a good idea since I need instant feedback
at the moment.

Boy It looks no matter were you go Intel AMD Apple
the 12 core systems just costs hammer money …

http://cgi.ebay.de/BLADECENTER-E-RACK-8677-inkl-14x-SERVER-IBM-BLADE-HS20-/130423016651?pt=DE_Technik_Computer_Peripheriegeräte_PC_Systeme

should be enought but you need some electric power

I’d get the following:

Case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811517004

Power Supply:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817338035

4 GB Ram X 4 = 16 GB (8 per processor)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820144457

Dual Processor Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131643

8 Core Opteron Processor X 2 (16 cores of rendering madness)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819105265

Hard Drives (1 TB drives in Raid 0)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

Video Card: GTX 460 1 GB (Great for Octane Render)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814261075

Total Cost ~ $2400

Throw on Linux and you’re good to go. If you want Windows 7 add ~ $100 more.

** I UPDATED THE PROCESSOR SINCE MY ORIGINAL POST **

Here is a derivative of Philbo’s machine for ~ $1860.00. It’s a 4 CPU motherboard with four quad core CPUs! Each CPU core gets 4GB RAM. This Motherboard is DDR2 800 (not cutting edge) and the CPU a little dated but may be good for the application depending on what you are really doing with this machine, and is dirt cheap with great reviews.

It’s hard to say if this machine will be better than another machine having two higher end quad cores with DDR3. What do you guys think of this setup?

You can get an expansion card to add an additional 4 more CPUs to make it a total of 32 cores! If you dont have the expansion card you can only use 4CPUs with a total of 16 cores. I think I would need to put a “Drool Shield” on this thing like one of the reviews on NewEgg said!!!

If you decide to buy it, triple check my handy work to make sure the Motherboard, CPU and RAM are all compatible.

1) Quad Processor Motherboard ($199):
TYAN S4985G3NR Thunder n4250QE Quad 1207(F) NVIDIA nForce4 Professional 2200 + 2050 SSI MEB footprint Four AMD Opteron (Rev. F) 8000 series (dual/quad-core) processors Server Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813151085

2b) Four Quad Core Processors ($199 *4 = $800) :
AMD OS8354WAL4BGH Opteron 8354 Barcelona 2.2GHz 2MB L3 Cache Socket F 115W Quad-Core Server Processor - OEM
https://www.eio.com/p-21631-amd-os8354wal4bgh-opteron-8354-barcelona-22ghz-2mb-l3-cache-socket-f-115w-quad-core-server-processor-oem.aspx

3) Four sets of 4GB Ram (85.99*4 = $343.96):
Crucial 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model CT2KIT25664AA800
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148160

4) Hard Drives (1 TB drives in Raid 0) ($59.00 * 2 = $120)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc…82E16822152185

5) Video Card: GTX 460 1 GB (Great for Octane Render) $200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc…82E16814261075

6) Case: $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc…82E16811517004

7) Power Supply: $110
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc…82E16817338035

8) Windows? $100 * 4 = $400???
If you use Windows, I think you need to purchase one copy of Windows for each core. I may be mistaken on this but I thought I read this somewhere on the Microsoft Site.

how to the opteron scale against the xeons?

I think I read so many pages and reviews that I confused
nobody else then myself.

wait I just reread it 4 CPUs? 0_0

I really would like to know how they compare performance wise
compared to current models. That is a really good question.
I wish I would have the ability to have both and test them.

I m not sure if an i7 overcloked would not beat it… But if you add more core…

To oversimplify, if you can distribute the renderjob or whatever it is you got to do, go for quantity not quality.

1*12 [email protected] for 1000 Euro is inferior to, like the blade dago posted with 18 Cores @3.2 + 10 cores @2.8 for currently 550 Euro

And rendering almost scales linear with the amount of cores, no matter if they are in your CPU, in your machine, in the next room or the other side of the world.

And the ONLY real advantage Opteron/Xeon has over their endconsumer versions Athlon2/Ci7 is, that they are build for multi processor support - and thats about it (ignoring that the DIEs for the servers are top of the crop of their production batch)

Really, if you are rendering and need instant feedback, I think most online commercial renderfarms provide that… not sure, I never used one, I just built my own renderfarm.

You needed 8 cores (previous post), now you need 12. If you need the kind of raw computing power you are speaking of, why are you even thinking about 8, 12 or 16 core machines? Those are child’s toys compared to what is available.

Randy

because I also do not have unlimited funding Randy “;)”

I was first considering an 8 core because I did not know
about the six core versions.

In the past I did try out some render platforms and it is
not really what I need or can make use of the best way.

Those are great when the shot is done and you send it out.
But the time of saving exporting uploading setting up rendering previewing
is not what I can use at the moment.

Plus once the stuff is done the machine should still have
use and thus do I not want to invest only for on single
purpose and plan ahead for the time after that.

What is the rendering engine that you will use (mostly)?

I recently built a system with an Intel I7 980 extreme, it is six cores, hyper threading rendering over 12 threads and it’s unlocked and very easy to overclock. I can get to over 4 Ghz on my gigabyte ud3r motherboard through a desktop application without any need to touch the bios. I think such a setup is probably the most (relatively) cost efficient powerful solution for rendering on self build systems.

If you look at the renders in my sig you’ll see that they are 2hrs in Luxrender with that processor overclocked to 3.75Ghz, they could maybe have done with a little more cooking time, but it’s pretty good considering the speed of Lux and that the car plus interior and underneath is very high poly.

Well I assume I will utilize VRay since I have the license for it
and it is already pretty well integrated into Blender.

In particular because of materials and lights in contrast to GPU.

For some glossy HDRI renderings I was concidering Octane.

There will be few animations as well but those I rather would like
to be more non-GI for visual communicative value.

I am close to have the roadmap worked out for what I need to
do and get started by tonight.

But this all is subject to change depending on how quick efficient
I can work through it.

seanser,

I was thinking about this as well since it sounds like a logical solution.

My big question in all this is speed comparison.

What solution to be honest does not matter to me.
Output is what is my concern.

I wish like what Apple is doing in there stores you could go to Best Buy
or other places with a jump drive and test the heck out of the systems.

seanser.
This sounds like a nice machine.

  1. What application did you use to overclock?
  2. Did you have to replaced the stock CPU heatsink/fan with a bigger one?

I apologize for my previous post… I was being an idiot… :smiley:

A couple of thoughts though, and please correct me if I am wrong about this one, but if you are using a gpu based renderer, (like octane) it really doesn’t matter what cpu you are running, the gpu is doing all the work.

On overclocking - my gigabyte motherboard came with software to overclock from within windows.

Randy

Randy - no need for it. I did not take it personal.
I added a smiley in my former post

This is the problem I have:
The investment I make will well have to hold for the next years
and be as flexible as possible.

At PhilBos place I saw Octane running on 3 GPUs and seriously
incase HDRI rendering ala Hypershot is all what you do forget
about any CPU. It was plain madness.

But GPU rendering would not be everything I would do.
Fluids, smoke, audio, cutting, etc those tasks are not handled via
the GPU.

I did not know that good 3D cards can be so cheap and even on one
GPU Octane was plain fast already. The card he mentioned is around
200 and I thought for the performance he was missing a “0” here.

Also, some of the CAD apps I use have some slow and I mean slow functions
and a faster Computer would be nice. T-Splines for example is nice and fast
when you have a simple object but behold when it is getting complex.

So I am not only considering render performance but also what else would that
computer speed-up when I work.

Last year I was working on an animation and we gave up because our laptops
were just not cutting it at all.

I was even considering just renting but well that seems more then
impossible to do for just 3 weeks :wink:

I bought a Corsair h50 water pump cooler for the cpu at about £55. It does a very good job, is easy to install and if like me your a bit nervous about messing with water in your system it’s ok because it’s a pre built pre sealed system. The temps of each core don’t go above 30 degrees in normal running and hit around 55 when rendering on all cores using software like Luxrender/vray. The processor is supposed to be completely safe at anywhere under 75 degrees and I’ve read that you can go a good bit higher but that would worry me personally. As far as I know Corsair have a new Hydro cooler out that costs more but provides even better cooling.
The software that I use for overclocking came with the motherboard from Gigabyte and is called easytune 6.

I’m sure you guys know that buying components for building a system costs quite a bit less in the US. My system cost about £2500 in the UK 2 months ago, I’m sure it would be less now. Including a good Dell IPS monitor, 6 core processor, 12 Gb of Ram, an Nvidia Gtx 460 GLH graphics card. Bluray burner, 1 TB harddrive, good case, high end PSU and Windows 7 professional.

For cuda rendering through Octane I would dispense with the high end processor and invest in an extra graphics card. For Vray the 6 core I7 is great.

Self building a system is pretty easy there’s lot’s of info on the net, the components should all have a good warranty, you’ll get exactly what you want and the cost will be a lot less than a pre built solution by apple, dell or anyone.