Yea, I’m well aware of the trafficking of women and most country don’t care less about the “victims” because they came over illegally in the first place.
As well as porn movies too, “regardless of there age” it’s called supply and demand, there would always be a demand so there will always be supply, if the supply is not legal or met then crime is the only solution and the solution to fight the solution only leads to corruption and higher profits.
Got a legal brothel in my town, yup, it’s right in the old USA. Strict guild line tho
I’m just saying that you can’t group all parents (as I would then be included in that group) in the “idiot” category! Particularly singling out religious parents as the worst of the bunch! It comes across like you have a pretty twisted view of religion, its purpose and its teaching (speaking in generalities.) Typically, it provides a set of guidelines to base one’s moral behavior upon. Typically, this results in behavior that is beneficial culturally and socially. Typically, religion teaches against selfishness and laziness (and the 7 “deadly sins” you referred to earlier.)
I say “typically” because, yes, there are extremists in every belief system who “step over the line” of what their culture considers acceptable behavior. Its just a pity and a shame that the whole religious group is defamed by such a small percentage of its population. Its analagous to calling all Muslims “terrorists” because of a small minority who believe strongly enough in their particular “moral code” to cross over that cultural line and commit acts of terror.
Or perhaps, they exist as tools for the parent to use, along with other methods and actions, to help them in their life-long struggle to give and do their best to benefit their offspring. Perhaps a more positive perspective is advisable, to give people the benefit of the doubt.
The tax payers are paying for login passwords? For Dish Network’s parental controls? Huh? If you’re doing this, bud, you need to have a little chat with your accountant.
Morality is difficult if not impossible to legislate:
It is a man’s heart that must be changed before peace can be achieved. Laws are just a vain attempt to accomplish this. They are imperfect and will never be fully effective. They are not passed because of “ignorant parents”. They are passed to try to allow a society to function and to keep evil behavior from becoming the rule.
I suppose this would be a great place to point out any foiables I observe and attempt to ridicule you for them, but I cannot. This statement hints at the possibility that you rail against “bad parents” because you experienced such a home-life yourself growing up. It is my hope that, instead of becoming bitter against this, that you will do what you can to overcome this in your own life, as perhaps you yourself become a parent, and do your best for your kids in this world.
It comes across like you have a pretty twisted view of religion, its purpose and its teaching (speaking in generalities.) Typically, it provides a set of guidelines to base one’s moral behavior upon. Typically, this results in behavior that is beneficial culturally and socially. Typically, religion teaches against selfishness and laziness (and the 7 “deadly sins” you referred to earlier.)
Maybe the eighth deadly (and possibly the prime deadliest) sin is to lay claim to the religious principles that get adopted by the legislature yet remain silent and indifferent when the same are used by fundamentalists to force their dogma on the rest of society (and in one particular case on the rest of humanity).
I don’t have or ever going to have children %| But even if I would, I don’t want government raising my children and no it’s not parential block we pay for, but the stincking FCC that censor programs. Look, America has been down this moral road before, women were banned for wearing shorts and masterbation was out lawed. I will do what ever is in my power to keep such crap from happening again, unless you really like that crap.
sadly a lot of parents would care less about children then the people “making these coments”
infact a lot of parents (including the women) activly put their children into child prostetution, or child porn, either for the money for drugs, or for kicks.
making laws to govern the law abiding, does nothing to stop the law breakers.
society has some major work to do before we will deal with stuff, and for that to happen i think we need about 1/2 the world population.
Well at the moment I am busy so I will just say this…
I have been watching porn since I was no older then 8 years old, yes I’ve watched it consistently threw all my years and I don’t believe i’m messed up I get high grades, I have hobbies, I have a job, I have future plans, I have a girlfriend, and I have plenty of friends. Im not some weird sadistic creep who only thinks about sex and can’t get his mind off that hot chicks tits who just walked by.
I know friends in the same situation as me and I know one who’s been watching it since younger then me.
Porn does not screw you up.
Censorship is wrong, I agree with not putting it on the family channel in the middle of the day but trying to get rid of it all together, is simple put, wrong.
If you don’t like it, don’t watch it and don’t let you’re kids watch it, and if you say that that’s to hard because of how common it is then you aren’t trying hard enough.
Parents often make stupid excuse like “I can’t watch them 24 hours a day” That’s why your child sleep 8 hours a day and install a trip alarm on your childs door/window if you have to, put a camera in there as far as I care, just do your job.
But in my opinion if kids want to look at porn, then banning porn for there sake will just make them more desperate. I mean look at all the “moral authority” that were convicted in the Catholic church of homosexual molestation. That right there should be a clue that preaching morals and enforcing them doesn’t work. A Buddhist monk has more morals then these fakes and they are against legislating morals.
My opinion is if you let one parent to live as a religious extremist then there children will be far more of a extremist then there parent.
The authorities is also against this proposal including the centor for missing and exploitive children service. They are right when they said that this will stretch there resource, they are right when they say that fighting porn in general will just put them is the same boat as child porn just like banning alcohol would put that in the same boat as meth, lsd and crack.
legislating porn is just a opportunity for corruption and crime.
Americans fought and died for mine and their right to read pornography.
Allthough the fundamentalist religionist, muslim and christian finds the idea offensive, many, many soldiers fought in wars, and read pornography at the same time.
It is legitimate adult literature, just like Ben Franklin printed.
Permit, if you will, a little prophesying: Let’s say that one day, in the not-so-distant future, this girlfriend of yours has had enough with “girlfriend” status and wants more. She “inquires” as to where this relationship is going. After a certain tumultuous period of time, not wanting to lose her, you ask her to marry you. Okay. So you get married. You make a promise of commitment to this girl. Great (happy, happy, joy, joy… For about a year.) Then one evening she walks in on you wankin’ off to a nudie flick. She goes ballistic. “Why are you watching that? Don’t I give you everything you need? Aren’t you satisfied by our lovemaking?” (A little tip: girls who have been promised a committed relationship have this funny little desire that it be exclusive. Weird, I know.) So you say, “Fine! I’ll quit with the porn!” And it works. You go cold-turkey… for maybe a year, maybe two, or a few… but then, wouldn’t you know it, after a while intimacy with your wife becomes mundane. The excitement’s gone. Maybe by this time you’ve had a kid or two, and they’re “robbing” you of all your free time, not to mention “private” time with your lover. You really miss the exhilaration you found in your “youth”. Before you know it, you’re sneaking in the magazines, renting the odd movie, and keeping these actions covert from your wife. And, “Why not?” you reason, “After all, there’s nothing wrong with it! It doesn’t screw you up!” Until she catches you at it again and pitches an even bigger fit. She threatens, begs, pleads and cajoles you. But you refuse to listen. You try to invite her to join you, and for some bizarre reason, she refuses! For some reason she wants you to herself, wants you to reserve your intimate touch for her alone! (I know, just whacked, ain’t it?) You try to reason with her that these women that you’re fantasizing about are not real. “They’re just pictures, just images,” you say, in all logic. She vehemently disagrees, and before long your marriage and family are in a shambles… a failure which wreaks untold emotional damage upon you, your wife and any offspring who’ve had to go along for the ride – innocent, wide-eyed victims of a broken promise. A life of happiness and fulfillment sacrificed to a selfish desire for wonton pleasure – a seed planted deep and early by “good ol’ porn.”
Pornography undermines commitment. When the foundation of commitment crumbles, families fall and lives are damaged irretrievably.
“So don’t commit at all!” you say. “Why make such promises? Why get married at all? Why not just live together as long as you want, and when you don’t want to anymore, you leave?” Yeah, that’s how families are built. Yeah, that’s how legacies are established. Uh huh, you’ll be long remembered, highly influential, and significantly effective in your life with that attitude. You’ll really go places! Not. A man who cannot make and keep a promise is not a man at all.
Mark my words, this could be you.
I certainly don’t advocate going against the Bill of Rights and outlawing it altogether. I am merely in support of effective tools to aid in curbing under-age access to it. I’m not necessarily saying that legislation is an effective tool, either. If it don’t work, don’t do it.
Legitimate? Perhaps.
Satisfying? Worthwhile? Fulfilling? Beneficial? Constructive? Not in the least. And certainly not in the same league with the writings of Ben Franklin.
the “moral highground” of freedom, comes with its good and bad side.
one bad side which is also a good side is “less control and regulation of moral choices”
funny that a so called free society is having such a hard time tackling moral questions like gay marrige, porn, personal drug use, equal rights, racism…
the idea was to not judge others, and to be allowed to do as you feel appropriate. yet people are judging others and imposing their views onto others.
this is not freedom.
i am making no judgement whether porn is good or bad, i can and do argue both ways, but in a society of freedom, and personal choice you cannot have double standards… you are either a hypocrit or not.
Agreed. Opinions vary. And yes, these are observations based on some level of subjectivity and morality - but not necessarily judgements or impositions. And I hope this is not so much a debate as a discussion. I only want to point out what porn’s potential for harm could be. Everyone’s different and their behavioral responses vary, but one common denominator remains: its human nature to be selfish.
One could rant on and on till they’re blue in the face about the evils of porn or any other “deadly sin”, but its all merely trying to treat the symptoms of the same human “feature”: selfishness and pride. (heh… “that’s not a bug, its a feature!” ) Porn panders to the self-centeredness in all of us. In so doing it (only naturally) discourages some of the basic tenets of human relationships, such as trust and faithfulness.
Alot of the assumptions here are that only men enjoy porn.
A false assumption, and one that also assumes women do not enjoy sex.
Some women DO enjoy sex, and women DO enjoy pornography. Women BUY vibrators, and personal massagers for themselves, and USE them when nobody else is around.
I have been with my girlfriend for 4 years. And we have both watched and enjoyed pornography this entire time. There have been times she has watched it when I am not home, and times I have watched it when she isn’t home, and times we both have watched it.
Relax, it’s just sex.
For some reason she wants you to herself, wants you to reserve your intimate touch for her alone! (I know, just whacked, ain’t it?)
Touch and look are two different things. Both I and my girlfriend talk about people we work with who we think are good looking or sexy. It is natural to look upon other humans, and admire their attractiveness.
As long as these observations are not acted upon, it is quite harmless, and talking about it with your lover is beneficial, as all communication in a relationship is.
So yes, your view is whacked. Your prophesizing is quite rediculous, and changes the woman from a free minded sex loving woman to a victorian prude. Once a woman loves sex, she will always love sex. It is a shame many do not find out until they are in their forties. It is an even bigger shame, that 1/3 of American woman have never even experienced an orgasm. Such mental vulval circumcision inflicted on women by conservative parenting. A real shame. EDIT: Of course parenting does not have everything to do with a person’s sexualtiy, but it can be widely agreed, it takes a BIG role.
Can you imagine, your whole life… and not one orgasm?
He wrote quite a few lurid tales. Certainly would be considered pornography in his day and age. There are other unsubstantiated ruors about his sex life. And it is said, he was a member of a “gentleman’s literature club…”
It may cause really big problems in society,in I ndia for example there are many young girls(9-16) become prostitutes(AGAINST THEIR WILL) to give money to their families.
I have seen pornography since I was 14. I have never even been to a strip club, much less thought of buying a prostitute, much less a child prostitute.
EDIT: I also was a virgin until I was 24 by choice, and have slept with 2 women my whole life. I personally know alot of people who abhore pornography that have slept with way, WAY more people in their lifetime than I have.
Just because pornography is related to sex, does not mean it is related to the white slavery market. Your logic is flawed.
I made no such assumption. I merely stated that she’d probably prefer that you enjoy such sex only with her. Ask her. If she says no, then can you trust her to remain faithful to you? Who’s to say that she won’t act on her preferences? And if she does act upon them, does that mean she really loves you? Just speculating here - not saying any of this is so. Just trying to illustrate that sex between partners of a commited relationship is not just sex. It is an expression, a communication between the two people, a bond is formed, love is articulated.
Ah, and there’s the rub. “As long as its not acted upon”. So, how long till just watching porn is not enough to arouse you? If/when that day comes what next step will you take to re-capture that original “buzz”? If you are able to remain content, then congrats, you’ve just bested the majority of the earth’s male population. Its just that thoughts lead to actions. Porn illustrates, therefore generates, certain thots. How long until they are acted upon?
Or perhaps it transforms a woman from an unfaithful, untrustworthy person into one who understands the value of a promise, who cherishes the meaning of love, with whom you can securely build a life and a family.
Hmmm, so you consider those parents who try to engender and nurture such character qualities as love, trust, faithfulness, honesty, patience and self-control in their homes as being the direct cause of the fact that 1/3 of American women can’t get off? Quite a bold assertion. I would have to ask you for proof and documentation of that claim.
Can you imagine that there are other fulfilling and satisfying things in this world besides sex?
I made no such assumption. I merely stated that she’d probably prefer that you enjoy such sex only with her. Ask her. If she says no, then can you trust her to remain faithful to you? [/quote]
Why wouldn’t I? I have doen so for 4 years, and she trusted me. That is what the whole relationship is based on… trust we will not break eachother’s hearts.
Who’s to say that she won’t act on her preferences?
I can only trust she won’t.
And if she does act upon them, does that mean she really loves you?
I can only trust she won’t.
Just speculating here - not saying any of this is so. Just trying to illustrate that sex between partners of a commited relationship is not just sex. It is an expression, a communication between the two people, a bond is formed, love is articulated.
I hear this alot… it seems quite romantic. But I ask, could a relationship be real WITHOUT sex, or WITHOUT the promise of sex?
If you say yes, why not just choose to live with your mother. I am sure there is all sorts of love and communication. No sex, of course. The relationship between a man and woman, marriage or monogamy, IS SEX!
It would not be a “relationship” without it… and there is nothing wrong with that! Sex is natural, and it’s been done across the world trillians of times, and at least hundreds, if not thousands of times by almost everyone.
Ah, and there’s the rub. “As long as its not acted upon”. So, how long till just watching porn is not enough to arouse you?[/quote]
Am I denying it arouses me? Am I denying I… you know… when I watch porn? No.
What buzz? Sex with my girlfriend is very satisfying, usually more satisfying then watching porn.
Or perhaps it transforms a woman from an unfaithful, untrustworthy person into one who understands the value of a promise, who cherishes the meaning of love, with whom you can securely build a life and a family.[/quote]
Huh? Women who like sex are untrustworthy? You are peddling fear and mysogyny. Women can easily LOVE sex, and be trustworthy. I know you as a male, LOVE sex. Does that make you untrustworthy?
Hmmm, so you consider those parents who try to engender and nurture such character qualities as love, trust, faithfulness, honesty, patience and self-control in their homes as being the direct cause of the fact that 1/3 of American women can’t get off? Quite a bold assertion. I would have to ask you for proof and documentation of that claim. [/quote]
No, I blame it on parents who have relationships in which the women themselves have never had an orgasm, (due to the way they were raised, and the way their parents were raised, and their parents were raised), passing on the distaste for sex, and sexual fulfilment onto their children.
Can you imagine that there are other fulfilling and satisfying things in this world besides sex?[/quote]
Wanna try living without it?
Ah, a fellow human. What a surprise.[/quote]
Yes, human, we all are human, and most of us love sex.
Frankly, I enjoy a lot in life. I enjoy my kitty, I enjoy music, 3d modelling, the company of friends, of my brother, of helping people with their computers…
…but I know from experience, life without a satisfying sex life is sure a lot harder than life with a satisfying sex life… because I have lived both, and I’ll take the life with satisfying sex over life with no sex any day of the week.
) Porn panders to the self-centeredness in all of us. In so doing it (only naturally) discourages some of the basic tenets of human relationships, such as trust and faithfulness.