no blender console window in 2.58

when starting you can see it but as soon the main blender windows shows up there is no console window

-no its not under
-no alt tab now showing it
when exiting it shows back up but just for 1 sec

in 2.49 it works ok

Have a look under the Help menu

Also, starting from cmd.exe, or giving --start-console or -con or -d on command-line will work