OpenCL is kinda depricated
and i not mean OpenCL in Cycles, i mean OpenCL at all, as a standard.
neither OneAPI or HIP does support hardware RT in Cycles yet
It have such price only because Intel is struggling with freshman problems. If they cach up or even overtake they will have same pricing.
You were the one trumpeting the death knells of Intel a couple weeks ago.
I have hope for Intel, we do need fresh blood in the industry.
AMD has consistently underperformed Nvidia in cycles and has shot itself in the foot so many times that I really donāt want to hang my hopes on their efforts.
Nvidia does act like the 800 lb gorilla in the GPU industry, but they have kinda earned it. That how the free market works, right? High performers reap the benefits, and if nobody can do better, then they stand unopposed. I would love for there to be a big game changer that will drive the prices down, but I sincerely doubt that AMD is going to be able to pull it off. Iām just gonna stick with what actually works, so my choices are an Nvidia gpu, or a render farm (full of Nvidia gpus).
How much of that decade did AMD spend broke and fighting just to keep the company alive?
Iāve bought only Nvidia GPUs the past decade and expect Iāll likely buy my next card from them as well.
But I donāt agree with the dogmatism of your posts in this thread, nor some of your sentiments.
Nobody āearnsā the right to bully partners, press and customers, as you suggest. Never. Ever. And Nvidia has done exactly this.
IBM was crushing AMD forever in CPUs. Until they werenāt. Things can change.
Presumptuousness can sometimes lead to wrong-headed conclusions.
RTX4090 energy efficiency champion according to these French and German websites even with absolute consumption often less than 3090TI,
Except on Idle with screen 60hz where AMDās consume at very low level, interestingly the idle consumption of AMD increases significantly with screen 144hz ā¦
Must admit, Iām curious Bullit.
Why have you felt the need to post dozens of posts here promoting Nvidia 4xxx products? Are they lacking a marketing budget?
I can play your game.
Are you being paid by one of competitors to attemp shaming other people posting Nvidia new card news?
Theyāve been posting informative links, reviews, benchmarks. I donāt see whatās wrong, this is why the thread exists, and Iām thankful for every bity of intel thatāll determine whether or not Iāll buy one of those cards. Why would that be a problem ?
What year is this, 1990?
Also those two manufacturers (AMD and IBM) never directly competed in a desktop CPU space.
x86 CPU arch is an Intel invention which was later licensed to AMD and VIA.
Half of that dogmatism is tongue in cheek at @ace_dragon, heās a big fan of the free market and these corporate dynamics are a direct result of those forces.
In a global corporatocracy, the corporation with the most leverage moves the needle the most. Nvidia has a tremendous amount of leverage. Some of that is well earned. They do make good products. Some of it is a result of their manipulations of the market. Those manipulations are just āplaying the gameā though. They are a corporation with the goal of making money, and they are great at that.
If I had my druthers, there would be no social organization of more than 150 people, we would eat food grown where we live, and computers wouldnāt even exist. Since that isnāt an option, I have to play the game too. As a consumer, my options are what to consume. I have no control over Nvidiaās business operations, I just need to be able to render quickly and efficiently without pulling my hair out over drivers and compiling errors. So I buy Nvidia GPUs.
If i were still a heavy gamer, Iād be much more likely to consider AMDās offerings. But for accelerating cycles rendering, everything other than Nvidia is a step down.
As soon as AMD starts making GPUs that work as well as Nvidias, I will consider buying them. I have been using an Nvidia GPU to render with cycles from day one, and it has always worked. I have been on these forums for the past 11 years reading thread upon thread of AMD users running into issue after issue after issue.
Iām no fanboy, I am a pragmatist.
I am not being presumptuous to take news of AMD finally becoming a strong performer in cycles with a grain of salt. I have seen generation after generation after generation of AMD gpus lag behind, whether in pure performance or reliability. That is what informs my attitude.
I mentioned IBM as a sleepy malapropism in a post before I went to bed. But it was a convenient slip as its utterance only further buttresses the point. IBM was once the undisputed titan of PCs, lording over Apple. Now?
Things change.
āIntel Insideā ruled for the longest time. Now? AMD nearly has the same market cap as Intel and is kicking butt in CPU competition, and Nvidia now a much bigger market cap than Intel.
Things changed and will change again. Keep an open mind to products, companies and options.
That absolutely is an option. If you sincerely believe that way you can join the Amish, the Mennonite or one of countless communes around the world. Just sayinā 
If Iām anti-Nvidia Iām not doing a very good job. Read my posts within the past 24 hours, or earlier in the thread. (I even complimented one of your posts previously here about 10 days ago!) Iām just not crazy about hard commercial promotion.
As long as there is materialist globalism, nowhere is safe. You can cosplay for a while, but there is no escaping that we are sharing the globe and need to figure out how to make due with the situation we have now. There is no returning to immediate return hunter gatherer societies, as much as I would love that.
Much like I would love for Nvidia to have some real competition in the GPU computing field, but Iāve gotta make due with the hand I was dealt.
It is reportedly quite difficult to join the Amish actually, because for starters you probably will not share the highly conservative Christian values they live by. For the type of person who is often seen in the 3D space, they can probably find more progressive options that fall short of outright moving to North Korea (like that community of Earthships in New Mexico).
Of course, the various Amish and Mennonite sects are quite varied in terms of how much technology is allowed among other beliefs, here in Kansas there are many who at least have a Mennonite background and have long used the latest technology, who in turn actually have no direct relation to the Amish or any kind of communal living (which includes my own ancestors).
My ancestry on my fatherās side was Mennonite, of the less strict variety. But my dad transitioned away before I was born. Incidentally I watched a documentary on Amish/Mennonites just this past weekend. My life is so entwined by all-things-digital I could never jump to that, and Iām personally soft agnosticā¦ but I do see some strong appeal. Sorry if Iām getting off topic. 
I am not interested in your insults or maybe it is even worse, totalitarianism since you seem unable to even think that other people have other passions and other likings.
Bullit, sorry man. I retract my question. I was half asleep when I posted it. Truly.
im gonna have to have a garage sale to afford it
