Patriot act FINALLY being looked at in Judicial review

After 9/11, many Americans don’t know it or feel it, but legislation started moving in a scary way toward a 1984 type scenerio. The most significant act that was passed was the Patriot act, which allows any suspected terrorist to be monitored in any way possible without anyone being legally able to say anything about it. People (even american citizens) can be detained without being charged. The majority of the act is a blatant violation of the constitution.

Finally, a part of it has been ruled unconstitutional by a Judge.

Personally, I want the whole thing repealed. The FBI has been monitoring anti-Bush activists as potential terrorists, and to me that is an obvious attempt to keep him in office. ANYONE could be labelled a potential terrorist in some way if you think about it.

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Read here for information on the Patriot Act and its inherent flaws. It is overwhelmingly obvious that this can be abused quietly and easily.

ANYONE could be labelled a potential terrorist in some way if you think about it.

hasnt been abused, to my knowledge…(go ahead…give me a link to liberal propaganda saying that it is)

If it’s been used, the people who know can’t say anything about it, according to the Patriot Act.

Until now, anyway.

Why is Liberal a bad word?

Liberal:

  1. A person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties
  2. A person who favors an economic theory of laissez-faire and self-regulating markets

Hmm… You’re afraid of change and true freedom, that’s why.

This is good news, shbaz. Thanks for posting this.

Cheers,

b01c

yeah this certainly is good news, nice to hear that the world is evolving into a more intelligent and more mature society.

Um. . .no. Liberalism is socialism. Sorry, but there is not longer any doubt, the recent activies of liberals prove it. I mean, they put forth a draft fraud! They believe in the rights of the individual, true, but they also believe that most individuals are too stupid to be trusted with those rights.

They created a draft bill (I’ve checked official records, it WAS democrats 100%), and then allowed the Great Arrogance Himself coughdan rathercough to say it was Bush’s doing!

joeedh

Wonderful! I knew I was missing something: so the notion of liberalism applies only to the US. I thought it was universal, but that’s probably because I live in the United State of Amnesia.

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Careful, “they” might be out to get you! “They” did this, “They” did that. How do you think people are going to take you seriously categorizing nearly half of the nation based on what a dozen or so people did? Those dirty stinking liberals also busted into Bush’s campaign HQ in Washington! I’m convinced it was all of them working in harmony, because they’re all liberals, right?

I’m a little of both liberal and conservative views, but I think it’s so retarded when people go throwing it out like a dirty word, especially after looking at a dictionary. What you’re saying makes no sense, and if you don’t know why then you need to do some careful thinking about who is really to blame for whatever it is that has you so peeved about people who support personal freedom and minority rights.

Let’s not turn this into a flame war. Ok?

few things.

A) liberal is not a very understood word outside the US. (well in my country at least) we never use the word liberal to describe the left wing.

B) socialism is not bad. i don’t understand the stigma assigned to it (communism was a socialist based system, but hitler was a democratic leader, so all systems can be abused.

C) left wing is not a bad thing IMO, i don’t see why people think it is. also riht wing is not necisarily bad either. although extremes of each view are bad.

D) if your bits swing to the left or the right, then you should tell people about it, so that you look like an idiot.

E) is a tv channel

F) is a swear word

G) is a type of homey gangster

H) is a bomb

i must say that the issue is “not whether the patriot act has been abused” rather “will the government in 10 years abuse it”

the more power you put into the control of others the harder it is to get out of the hole you dug. even if the hole was a nice and wonderful hole when you started digging, holes colapse when you go to far.

Alltaken

Liberalism is used to descript the left-wing politicians (and media) here in the U.S. of A, yes.

C) left wing is not a bad thing IMO, i don’t see why people think it is. also riht wing is not necisarily bad either. although extremes of each view are bad.

Because they lie. Bottom line: I don’t like being lied to, and they do it all the time. 100% fact. Dan Rather especially proves that. Also, in general right- or left- wing, extream political views is not always good. That is why moderate center politicians are getting so much support here in the U.S.

joeedh

who lie

Also, in general right- or left- wing, extream political views is not always good. That is why moderate center politicians are getting so much support here in the U.S.

joeedh

who is a moderate centre in the US?

Alltaken

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liberal: 'li-b(&-)r&1
noun: A person so open-minded their brains have fallen out.

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yes, and didnt leissez-faire work nicely in the US…who doesnt like pissing on the downtrodden working class. I know I do!

  1. a person who uses french expressions to describe his economical agenda.

Someone should tell Bush to use that in his next speech, right after he mentions Paris.

Martin

Dan Rather and Bill Clinton. And whoever spoke after Bush’s --I don’t think it was the last State of the Union, but the one before that–lied a whole heck of a lot. Can’t remember much more then that though (That wasn’t worth mentioning, was it, lol :slight_smile: ).

And don’t get me started on the selfishness and greedy origins of the left’s economic policies.

Right now the liberal media is in general making more noise then the liberals themselves, though. Kerry is doing so bad that I think the media isn’t going to look the other way at any mistakes he makes, so he’s being pretty careful.

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Also, in general right- or left- wing, extream political views is not always good. That is why moderate center politicians are getting so much support here in the U.S.

joeedh

who is a moderate centre in the US?[/quote]
Arnold Swarzinatter, the governor of my home state of California. Very much a moderate.

joeedh

Guess what? People lie. Dan Rather isn’t the pinacle of all things liberal. There is no such thing as a 100% fact applying to social issues. If you’re going to use Dan Rather as your ideal example for all liberals and proof that they’re all liars, then how would you feel about saying all conservatives believe in war? You know they don’t, but GW does and he claims conservatism.

Do you know the origions of the “wing” terminology? A bird can’t fly with one wing, and it has a lot of trouble flying when one wing is twice the size of the other.

ive decided that i hate them both and don’t care to hear the opinions of those who dont.

honestly, neither of these guys is fit to be president of the chess club. bush, through all of his good intentions HAS screwed a few things up, but kept his honor in that hes doing what he said and not backing down. Of course, theirs something to be said for admitting that your wrong.

Kerry doesnt seem to offer much of anything that bush doesnt and he doesnt that wierd thumb thing that clinton did and he wont shut the hell up about his “three purple hearts!” and his 'nam service…

I’ll show up to vote, go into the booth, wait a few minutes, and walk out without pulling a lever.

I would love to vote, but first we need some canidates that I can take seriously.

[quote=“shbaz”]

Guess what? People lie. Dan Rather isn’t the pinacle of all things liberal. There is no such thing as a 100% fact applying to social issues. If you’re going to use Dan Rather as your ideal example for all liberals and proof that they’re all liars, then how would you feel about saying all conservatives believe in war? You know they don’t, but GW does and he claims conservatism.[/quote]

There is nothing wrong with defending yourself, and that includes preemptive strikes. Bush does not believe in war. Remember that it was under HIS watch that 3,000 people died in a terrorist attack, and he is doing his best to make sure that it never happens again.

Do you know the origions of the “wing” terminology? A bird can’t fly with one wing, and it has a lot of trouble flying when one wing is twice the size of the other.

Do you live in the U.S.? It’s now something of an insult to be on a “wing” side of the political spectrum. That’s why moderates are getting a lot of popularity nowadays.

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Heh he. . .ignore the rest of it if you read it. . . :expressionless:

joeedh

who is moderate in the US and getting votes?

from outside the country i don’t see anyone who could call themselves moderate.

Alltaken

Finally, a post I can agree with!!!

Independants (not moderates, there is a difference) are getting more attention lately. Maybe not votes yet, but attention none-the-less.