Here here!
Well put.
Yes, which is the whole point from the beggining. The Whole idea of seperating and organizing content is to maintain a decent set of standards. The way it is now, a new blender users comes into the off-topic forum and will end up thinking elysiun and blenderheads are a punch of anti-american kids that do nothing but post a bunch of B.S.
A new user will end up thinking like this, only if he is either blind or an idiot…
Your “problem” does not have to do with political discussions here, in general… It has to do with Al_Capone and his attitude… If you want to do something about it, well it’s fine with me… But please don’t generalize…
Argueing on various subjects such as (yes!!!) politics or religion or whatever, is one thing and being rude and annoying is another…
I “heavilly” argued with fullback and IMProvisar, back in the “Iraq War” threads, but nobody called me an “antiamerican” or held any grunges on me… I earned their respect and friendship instead…
If you want to take the community’s standards into a higher level, the only thing you must do is to teach people how to behave!!! Not remove or put restrictions, to their ability to discuss upon various subjects…
Setting restrictions into what people can discuss around here is an extremely dangerous thing… What you request here, could very easily be turned against you in the future, as well… You may find yourselves unable to express your thoughts…
Graffiti is another kind of art… An insult written on the wall, is not Graffiti…
I’m not the one who started this thread in the first place.
What you say is true, but you are failing to take into account how the political threads are started. They are not started as a mature and decent debate, but by al_capone dropping in something that starts and argument from the beginning. Just like he did in hist last thread about the “US Alliance”.
How can people be getting on me for agreeing with dittohead, when the whole issue to begin with was about these threads and how they start?
Oh well… I guess for some people it’s easier to just ignore the litter in the yard rather than go through the trouble of cleaning it up :-?
btw… it doesn’t matter if it is art or not if it is not your wall to begin with.
acasto
people singled you out for this reason.
you started trying to make it a political debate!!!
e.g. listen to this.
punch of anti-american kids that do nothing but post a bunch of B.S.
you were turning it into an argument instead of agreeing with ditto you are asying you are but really only going against what he is saying.
its called hypocracy.
if you don’t want political threads then don’t start arguing.
Alltaken
acasto, I’m not getting on you… If you bother to read my first post on this thread, you’ll notice, I also agreed with ditto in the first place…
If there is a problem with some specific threads, I agree that something should be done about it…
I’m just trying to point out that we shouldn’t generalize… We must not bann all political discussions from here… There is a huge difference between an intelligent and civilized discussion and random littering…
If we generalize there is always the danger, that this thing could be missinterpreted by the rest of the community and be the cause of an unnecessary “witch hunt”… You, me, ditto, anybody, would very easily be in the place of the “accused” if such thing would go out of control… That’s what I’m arguing with you about…
All I want, is to be able to see some nice “Graffiti” here… Allthough I agree on the need to clean up “insults” from the wall, I don’t want “art” to be removed as well, without any discrimination…
Besides, my wall is private property… In most modern and civilized cities in the world, there are dedicated public places, where “Graffiti” is allowed and encouraged… And “Off Topic” is a public forum…
This thread is thriving example of just how pointless any debate thread is.
We all continue to post because our egos can’t handle the beating the other person posted.
So I kindly ask that this thread be renamed to “What happens when you post a debate thread” and be pinned.
So next time one of you punks (me included) decides to post something contraversial, or bump a thread that is contraversial, you can see just how childish we all are.
Alltaken, that is hardly what I did. What you quoted me as saying is nothing more than common sense. The threads al_capone starts, then combined with the sheer number, is what led me to say that. The same goes for how cubefan used to do. You take the petty nature of the posts, multiply it by some big number, and you start to get a ‘feeling’ upon first observation of a forum that it might be an underlying sentiment.
I am not for banning political or religious debate. But I do think there needs to be some guidelines to define debate vs. flamebait. There is many other forums where this is how it is handeled. One such forum for art I hang out in, has 27,000 members. There is a speicific forum for ranting and debates. It is a very popular forum for the people who like that, but isn’t popular for those who don’t. If someone then posts a flamebait thread in any other forum, they get jumped on the first time, then if they persist, their thread is moved to rant and debate forum.
For example, there was one guy who was posting in the Color Theory forum about his color wheel he developed. This was proper content, but he phrased it as his color wheel was superior to everyone else. That made it on the topic, but flamebait. So the moderators threatened to move it to the debate forum and change the title to “my color wheel is better than yours”. It fixed the problem.
Again, I am not for banning such content. Only methods by which to deter flamebait. Thus preventing a heated outcome from the begining.
lol! you are right ditto… but once someone kicks that pebble, the avalanche starts =) and they arent easy to stop
lol! you are right ditto… but once someone kicks that pebble, the avalanche starts =) and they arent easy to stop[/quote]
And I admit I’ve done that many a time.
I agree on that, as well… I don’t like “flamebait” threads either…
Your proposal (to have a separate forum for "rant and debate etc…) makes sense… It could work o.k., but I have to note, that it requires more intervention from the Admins, rather than responsibility from the users… Maybe I sound like a dreamer, but I would really wish to see the users be more responsible and avoid posting “flamebait”, without such “help” from the Admins…
Nevertheless, I don’t find any problem here in elysiun… Take for example, Theeth’s “Magical dissapearance” method… He deleted a couple of “unnecessary” posts and the problem was solved… Well, allthough I find this “method” a little bit too “radical” (I confess, I am a little bit “allergic” to “authority”), I must admit that the user had plenty of fair warnings previously to that and above all, it solved the problem with out the need of a separate “Rant and Debate” forum… 
The above example shows that you need not to worry… 
No one’s political views here have changed my personal opinions of them, or their artwork. How they conduct themselves during the exchange does. To ban or split of political discussions would be silly. Don’t like them, don’t read them.
I enjoy a debate. I enjoy reading what others have to say. If you don’t, well, why should you spoil my fun?
And as to poli/etc. threads being pointless, I feel that they have some value. When someone is forced to defend their point of view, they must think about it and refine it. It hones the intellect.
You would remove a vessel for intellectual development? Heathens!
Ok… once more for the one who didn’t read the posts. Not ban anything, not split political discussion. It concerns flamebaiters… aka… those who are just looking for trouble.
And as to poli/etc. threads being pointless, I feel that they have some value. When someone is forced to defend their point of view, they must think about it and refine it. It hones the intellect.
They must? They don’t have to and they don’t. It’s as simple as that. If they did do this then why is the same old stuff so continual and persistent?
You would remove a vessel for intellectual development? Heathens!
When they matured enough for their threads to no longer be tossed into the fire, it would then be an intellectual vessel. Until then you could define it as a waste of bandwidth and database space.
you master(flame)baiter you
*me deletes corrupt file “acasto” to make room for a more humble and intelectual ai module
When they matured enough for their threads to no longer be tossed into the fire, it would then be an intellectual vessel. Until then you could define it as a waste of bandwidth and database space.[/quote]
For some reason, my wife can’t tell when I’m being facetious either. Acasto, are you my wife?
you master(flame)baiter you
*me deletes corrupt file “acasto” to make room for a more humble and intelectual ai module[/quote]
Blengine, you never have anything constructive to say about anything in the off-topic forum. The only time you ever come in here is to hassle me. You never have anything even half-way intelligent to say.
BTW… quit making up quotes!!!
This is asinine, please stop bumping this thread people.
We’ve had our discussion, we’ve come to an understanding, these threads are completely pointless.
Here’s what we can do: just ignore any debate threads, regardless of the side they take. Bumping them only makes things worse.
bump 
oh acasto, youre just jealous
heh, well it looks like we got somehting in common then 