hello.
as you see here, there are two cubes, one has a solution to the problem, and one shows the problem.
now in my case, i have a simular problem as the cube to the left. i have a cube, witch has too many verts. i would like to keep it at 4, so i get a 100% quad model.
the cube on the right shows one solution to the problem, however i do really not want to use that method if its posible to avoid.
another thing is that i do NOT want to add too many extra verts to fix the problem.
this is the actual problem. its a space ship, and one of the engens.
as you can see on the right, it buggs the hell out if i move some verts to a spesific angle, and even if i prevent the massive bug, i will still have that big 10 poly square, witch will bother me for as long as i will work with the model.
One way.
but then again i still end up with a square that has too many verts. just look at the lowest square on the “frame” of what you just suggested.
i have, but i want it all to be connected.
The loops go all the way around.
then again i said i dont want to use too many verts. this ads many edges on the top that is not nessasary 
Well, you can’t have your cake and eat it, too.
So, either you live with the n-gons or bite the bullet to add additional edge loops - and Photox’s solution is clean and straightforward.
well it is a low poly model. and making the edges all around is what i had in the first place, but i really want to reduce the amount of verts. i have 718 right now with a mirror modefier, and i want to get it down to 500-600 
and if i use that solution i end up with about 104 extra verts. mirror that and you get 208.
Topology advocates, please pretend you didn’t see this:
If you’re so bent on having quads, that’s what you can do. However, seeing as you’re not concerned with flow on that particular piece, and it being flat-plane-hard-surface-hidden-away-where-no-one-will-ever-look, you could just keep your triangles. Nobody would eat you for it. Probably.
i see what you mean. but it is an area that will draw attention, and using triangles did make the lighting look strange.
this is actually a really good suggestion, thank you a lot!
actually the metod you showed me helped me to find a way to make the wing engien look really good on the front, AND back, pluss i use HALF the verts 
thank you again ! 
are you going to show us what you did then ??
in case someone else has the same problem one day
look at the images… the whole problem was i wanted to make it 100% quad witout making edges all around the cube or merging into a single vertex.
