Don’t expect a one person to fix everyones problem, liberty created by local lever and up and since we will never reach full liberty it will always be on going. The way you going about it we all be kissing the ass of england queen. So, you don’t have anything hide ? Can I tape you having sex with your girl ?
Terrorist isn’t the problem, its government failor to protect us that needs to be look at, you ever heard of a society with no invaiders ? Another problem is government in foriegn affairs, if they were smart they bring all those troops home where they are need the most and brake all ties with allies and the UN.
if they were smart they bring all those troops home where they are need the most and brake all ties with allies and the UN
That’s the problem, we don’t need them at home really. That’s why we create so many “satan” figures every couple of years. Castro, Noriega, Hussein, BinLaden. Trump them all up as the anti-christs and give our boys something to do.
Also, according to Kissinger, we won’t ignore the problems overseas because that’s what we tried to do in WWI and got sucked into them eventually anyway. Lesson learned.
For the Repulican’s sake, I hope we get another 9/11 in the next year or so, they’re making a killing and have never been stronger. It’s disgusting how much they are abusing this to get all their special interest stuff, stuff that has NOTHING to do with national security, passed with little/no opposition. They must be loving it, good times.
Yes Acosta, part of it is on principles. But for the most part, I’m afraid of the abuses. The more power the government gets, the worse the abuses may become.
Haven’t you heard the stories of J. Edgar Hoover’s files? What happens, for instance, if some third political party started gaining too much power? You don’t think if whatever party in control, or both parties together, had that kind of power they wouldn’t consider using it to get rid of that threat to them? What happens when all you need to be guilty of is disagreeing with who’s currently holding office?
Let’s take a situation a bit less sinister. Say you’re a student, and you’re researching a paper terrorism. While you’re writing this paper, you visit a whole lot of web sites sympathetic to terrorism against the U.S. You even e-mail administrators requesting literature. At the same time, you’re going to the library, getting a whole lot of books on terrorism and terrorists. Now there’s a pattern, you’re flagged. You’re not arrested yet, but they’re watching you. They send some agents out. You don’t notice anything immediately… you’re librarian is always watching you, and acting really wierd, perhaps you catch a few neighbors peering at you through their curtains. Then the FBI goes and interviews your employer… and you’re fired. All you did was some research for school, but now your former employer thinks you’re a terrorist… good luck finding another job with his resounding endorsement. Sound fun? If a system like this were in place, plenty of people would probably face just that type of situation.
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Yep, just what I thought, a run around. That’s why you libertarians don’t get many votes, too many idealistic wishes, not enough reality. And the voters know that
That is irrelevant, in your case against the government. First off, they could already do if they wanted to. Look at the people on the interent, they can do it with a cheap lil camera you can buy off Yahoo! And secondly, no that’s no something to hide, it’s something to keep private. There’s a difference!
Again, rediculous. They are trying to protect us by getting them at the source.
If they were completely stupid they would do that. Have you even studied history?
What the hell kind’ve sadistic wish is that? Tell ya what, you be at the site of the next attack and see if you say the same thing!
IMProvisar, everything you say can already be done. The danger lies not within the governments power but the citizens ignorance of it. The average citizen has no idea of the capabilities. It is quite easy to control people when they are dumb, so you take a large number of dumb people, and you have what looks like tyranny. When really what it is is a bunch of people who are ignorant and naieve of what goes on around them. This can clearly be shown in the number of people that vote and even know whats going on in the government.
Just to comment on the Libertarian party, I think they have some very good ideas and goals. I was actually starting to like them for a little while until I started reading some of they’re stuff. No curfews? Legal drugs? Etc… Etc… Etc… You know, a lot of people I have talked to has come to the same conclusion, that Libertarians has some real potential and some great ideas, but they went to radical. If they were to step back a little, and be a little more realistic in their ideals, they just might make a differnece. But by being the way they are, they are only hurting themselves and damaging their credability. Many people I have talked to refer to them as “pot smoking hippies”… now is that a good lable to have if your trying to make any political ground?
You sound too much like those centrist authoritarians, actialy libertarians gets lots of votes, its the third largest party, But unlike other partys, its being built from the local level and up, you think this is the only third party that there is ? NO, theres about 20 of them, why isn’t any of those party ever in office ? Why don’t they run under those labels ? In my opinion I do have something to hide and so does everyone else, just because you don’t dosn’t mean I should.
Oh and by the way, I do study history and its always the same and anyone who study history know that troops are a threat if they are within your country, so let other country defend for them self, at least I’ll will know that there blood isn’t on my hands. They will never be able to defend for themself if someone keeps steping in.
What the hell kind’ve sadistic wish is that? Tell ya what, you be at the site of the next attack and see if you say the same thing![/quote]
Its one that will keep the peace, one won’t go to war if they know the price, its only because of nukes that the coldwar never endup nuclear. Bush view on terrorist isn’t at all logical, I see it as war, yet hes trying to justicfy it as murder. Its the ignorant of forieng affairs that is to blame, better off without it, then the so called exporting tour the third world.
Yep, just what I thought, a run around. That’s why you libertarians don’t get many votes, too many idealistic wishes, not enough reality. And the voters know that
What the voters know, is this is how a Democracy suppose to work, I’m sure they would rather have the indivisial run Democracy instead of voting for a few that would run it for them.
That is a load of crap. IT IS MURDER! You all live in such a fairy tell world you don’t even realize what’s going on around you. Your to lost in your world of parnoid imperfection. Tell you what, go on TV, or just any national media, and say just that. None of you will ever get elected.
Yep, just what I thought, a run around. That’s why you libertarians don’t get many votes, too many idealistic wishes, not enough reality. And the voters know that[/quote]
What the voters know, is this is how a Democracy suppose to work, I’m sure they would rather have the indivisial run Democracy instead of voting for a few that would run it for them.[/quote]
Even if they could, it wouldn’t work… PEOPLE CAN NOT GOVERN THEMSELVES. Mainly because there it too many people out there, like the Libertairians, that have self-interests and a personal agenda for their own little utopia. You think perfection will come through anarchy?
Hey, war is war, its never fair, would you expecting rules perhaps ? Let me guess, no hiding allow.
That only shows your maturity.
Even if they could, it wouldn’t work… PEOPLE CAN NOT GOVERN THEMSELVES. Mainly because there it too many people out there, like the Libertairians, that have self-interests and a personal agenda for their own little utopia. You think perfection will come through anarchy?[/quote]
Your funny 
First of all, you don’t know the differents between Anarchy and Libertarian, but I’ll give you a chance to answer, then I would correct you.
That only shows your maturity.[/quote]
I do play games and watch cartoons, but in my opinion, kids are often more grown up then adults, sometimes
I don’t know the difference. But I do know enough not to get involved in either!
If you don’t know the differents, then why you calling it Anarchy ? I could lead you tour a polictical labal website, would that help ?
It is anarcy, but you all make up some run around to get around it. You don’t like rules, you think people should govern themselves. That’s dumb and crazy. I was looking at some articles on the Libertarian website, and it’s just a bunch of nutty stuff.
And about what political label I fall under. I’m not even going to put myself under one. Start one called “common sense” and I’ll choose that one. For one, I hate politics because it goes against logic, it’s a group of people trying to create they’re own perfect world their way. It seems every time politics walk into a room, common sense walks out. Personally, I hope they build a hell of a computer systems, I hope they go get all the terrorists, I hope we develope better military technology, and I wish someone would do something about these stupid special interst groups and also attorneys shameless lawsuits while their at it (they’re nothing but trouble). Actually, we could do with fewer rights and more local enforcement of the exsisting rules. Peace will only come through and enforced order, what will come out of what you wish is nothing but chaos.
Man… heck with this crazy crap. How is this thread not even locked, even the subject line is suggestion trouble. What if someone started a thread called “Baptists and Catholics convert now” … how long you think it would last?
I just answer, less rights more control, thats authoritarian for sure, perhaps near the socialist. Cheers 