Rumours - AMD Polaris 30 next month? RX680?

(Grzesiek) #1

Now that GTX/RTX 2080/TI are out, AMD’s response is no where to be seen.

Latest rumours as of few days ago was that AMD plans to release a AMD Polaris 30 card.

Background:
Polaris 10 was first introduced in : June 29, 2016 with RX4xx cards like RX480.
Polaris 20 was first introduced in : April 18, 2017 with RX5xx cards like RX580
- this was same core, same manufacturing (with slight refinements, and basically overclocked 480)

Polaris 30 rumours - October 2018 with rx 6xx??
- lower manufacturing node (12nm)
- unsure if there is any architectural improvements
- expected 15% improvements over rx580 (so not even RX Vega56 performance :frowning:)

This rumour fits nicely with a statement made by David Wang, AMD’s new graphics chief. AMD is committed to delivering a new product every year, like clockwork. and that AMD would be bringing out a new graphics product every year, via a new architecture, process changes, or “maybe incremental architecture changes.”

I doubt they will deliver a major surprise like double the shader core count (which would be awesome), but for entry level (if priced correctly) that would be a good card.

Personal i’m running 4x 480s + 1x vega64, and enjoying their rendering performance a lot.

GPU family Process Size GPU Stock GPU Boost Memory Compute (FP32) TDP MSRP Release date
Polaris 10 RX 480 14nm 1120 1266 2000 5.2 TFLOP 170W 229 Jun 29, 2016
Polaris 20 RX 580 14nm+ 1256 1393 2000 5.8 TFLOP 185W 229 Apr 18, 2017
Polaris 30 RX 590 12nm 1469 1545 2000 7.1TFLOP 185W? 275 Nov 15, 2018
VEGA 10 Vega 64 14nm 1200 1536 945 12.5 TFLOP 295W 499 Aug 7, 2017
VEGA 10 Vega 56 14nm 1156 1471 800 10.5 TFLOP 210W 399 Aug 18, 2017
VEGA 10 Vega 56 NANO 14nm 1156 1471 800 9.47 TFLOP 150W 449 Jun 20,2018
(Ace Dragon) #2

AMD’s GPU division is in a situation where they need to release something in an attempt to preserve what’s left of their consumer base (or Nvidia gets their long sought monopoly and it’s high prices for units from now on).

If they can pair the new release regimen with a new regimen of rock solid driver development, then they might get somewhere.

(HeadClot) #3

Well they already got the drivers down last I checked. AMD Drivers are very solid. But dont take my word for it. :slight_smile:

(rbx775) #4

Dont they plan to release the new 7nm Vega20 chip end of this year ?
For rendering purposes, the new 12nm RX680 seems quite uninteresting in comparisen…
Even if it would be 300$. (talking rendering here)

(Grzesiek) #5

Yeah, if these rumours hold. seems that they will only release a rebranded 480/580 with smaller node.

While Vega could have been trimmed even further for something like Vega 48 on 7nm and easily get a lower power consumption.

the Vega20 (7nm) sees that though ti will be released towards end of this year it will be for Pro costumers (deep learning)

Though I wish the currnet rumours would have been around this Vega 7nm.

Still some indicate that the reason for Polaris 30 is that GLOFO as they are not going lower then current 12nm, so AMD shifted 7nm to TSMC leaving GLOFO with room to spare. And as AMD already paied for the waffers they will push this quick refresh to fill in the void.

From buissines perspective it makes sense, but from high ending GPU side it sure does not. Still AMD needs to continue to make money and they make more on lower end then high end. So this year I dont’ expect mirricles.

(Grzesiek) #6

So it seems that indeed nothing but a 12nm version of the 14nm++ version of the 14nm Porlaris RX 480.

the 470/570/670 version out this month, with the larger brother 480/580/680 out in November. It sure will make money for AMD, no doubt as Nvidia wont’ have anything to compete. Except for current GTX 1060.

So, rendering wise we should not see any major improvements, which is a shame. Wish they took Vega, switched to GDDR5(x)/GDDR6 and at 12nm, it would sure proivde them reasonably good performance.

I guess in the next week or two we’ll have definite information on the new Polaris30

(Grzesiek) #7

So more and more leaks on the Polaris card. Now potentially called the rx 590… as per below…

Performance wise, we are looking at ~10% improvement compared to RX 480. Our factory-overclocked RX 580 PowerColor Red Devil scores 4399 Graphics Score (4639 while overclocked)

The 590 --> 4759 (graphics score)

Still take some salt with that, and hope to see the actual product soon

(Ace Dragon) #8

Well, AMD is at least accurate in the card’s name if it is indeed a Radeon 5xx GPU using an updated fab process. It’s much like how their Ryzen refresh was called Ryzen+ and not Ryzen2.

So if there is a Radeon 6xx series, the performance bump should be a bit higher.

(Grzesiek) #9

well the could have named it the rx 670 and 650. leaving 680 and 690 for Vega refreshes … one can dream… :slight_smile:

Still from business perspective they can call it what ever they want, as long as it offers good price/performance ratio then they’ll make money. And we need AMD, otherwise next Nvidia RTX 3080ti will cost 3080 usd…

(Grzesiek) #10

So we are getting much closer to the release.

Ignore the image as it shows VEGA, but the current rumour that ASUS a card on its way. (and last parts of GPP are gone?)

Just hope prices are right

(HeadClot) #11

The Ge force Partner program was a terrible mistake on Nvidia’s part. I am really looking forward to the new RX 590 or what ever it will be called. :slight_smile:

(Grzesiek) #12

Seems Nvidia is prepping a response.

Basically 1060 with GDDR5x, so more bandwidth, wonder if they will boost clocks also

(Grzesiek) #13

Based on recent listing at one of the retailers, this might indicate release soon? Again. rumours/photos/etc. take it with a good dose of salt :slight_smile:

I for one will be happy once they release

(soul) #14

Will it have RTX tech like nvidia 20xx cards?

(Grzesiek) #15

Nope, this would be the RX 480 (which was 14nm) and will be released on 12nm, so giving more room for higher clocks. No architectural changes.

The RX Vega 7nm is the one that will have AI cores.

(Grzesiek) #16

So based on the latest rumours reported across the web (well the sites I check :slight_smile: ) November 15th is when RX 590, aka RX 480/580 on better finfet 12nm process. So higher clocks, and… well that is about it…

(Grzesiek) #17

getting closer and closer to potential release on November 15th.

Initial AMD 590 series GPU is showing some good speeds of 1580Mhz stock(potentially) and 1650Mhz overclock(potential) This is respective upgrade from “boost clock” of 1266 for the RX 480 of about 24%. Not enough to warant an upgrade from the 480 unless you really really have to have AMD’s current hardware.

I’d personally go for Vega56, lower the bios/profile to power efficient. Still have 40-50% over the rx 480 at similar or even lower power consumption.

(Grzesiek) #18

Just a summary of where we currently stand. Will admit that if one can get hands on Vega 56, and change bois and profile to power efficient, you’d get far better performance and better power then what ever Polaris brings.

GPU family Process Size GPU Stock GPU Boost Memory Compute (FP32) TDP MSRP Release date
Polaris 10 RX 480 14nm 1120 1266 2000 5.2 TFLOP 170W 229 Jun 29, 2016
Polaris 20 RX 580 14nm+ 1256 1393 2000 5.8 TFLOP 185W 229 Apr 18, 2017
Polaris 30 RX 590 12nm 1469 1545 2000 7.1TFLOP 185W? 275 Nov 15, 2018
VEGA 10 Vega 64 14nm 1200 1536 945 12.5 TFLOP 295W 499 Aug 7, 2017
VEGA 10 Vega 56 14nm 1156 1471 800 10.5 TFLOP 210W 399 Aug 18, 2017
VEGA 10 Vega 56 NANO 14nm 1156 1471 800 9.47 TFLOP 150W 449 Jun 20,2018

updated table above with latest offical news.

(Grzesiek) #19

Leaked slides show clock speeds and compute power… its somethign…we’ll know tomorrow when it is released