The ignorence of the human race

Posted this in a different thread. moved it here. What do you think?

Basically I’m agnostic leaning toward science. I believe it’s arrogant to believe we are the only intelligent species in the the vast expanse of the known universe, but i also think it’s arrogant to deny the possibility of religion. We just don’t know, so nothing can be stated as fact. And just a point for religion, Is it not possible that there is no mention of alien species in our bibles because it did not relate to us? It could be possible that there are different gods for different species? (or multiple gods for the same species, whatever you believe in). Perhaps there are multiple heavens, different plains of existence for each belief?

We are a young species. Why would it not be possible for other life to be more advanced? If it hadn’t had been for the extinction, Who knows exactly how advanced Raptors could’ve become? so why is is so hard to consider that another species that may have not been struck with a global disaster could potentially be more intelligent.

Also, if we are the best evolution could do… It went horridly wrong. We are not an intelligent species. “yay! we have language! Lets go kill each other over slight physical appearances or different views!!! Lets also separate ourselves because our skin is a different shade than others! (in case you haven’t noticed all of the different “races” of the world just differnet shades of brown for a skin color. THERE IS NO COLOR DIFFERENCE)” . also we are the HUMAN RACE. Skin color and slight physical differences DOES NOT MAKE A DIFFERENT RACE!

Sorry, i get really worked up over how ignorant, arrogant and just plain stupid the mass majority of humans are…

I’d say humans are basically Dragon food anyway, considering if Dragons weren’t wiped out and they’d be edible to them. I actually ate a few during my Dragon life.

Human stupidity is not limited, I wouldn’t be one to hate humans but you’re giving the dish out with this topic on whether or not most humans are so stupid they’d best be left as food for large meat eating animals like Dragons.

lol 2 CD .

Dont worry, someday CD will eat the entire human race, and there will only be ignorant dragons around fighting over different colored scales :wink: (dont take it personally CD, im just joking)

Thank you for moving this content to your own thread.

I really appreciate the courtesy = )

Human stupidity is infinite, as the universe.

yet I’m not too sure about the universe.

I don’t know the context of the original thread you posted this in, but accepting the possibility of extra-terrestrial life is not in opposition to religion. Many religions believe strongly in extra-terrestrial lifeforms, even many older religions.

I do tend to agree that the Bible in general is terra-centric in it’s form and message, so it should not be used to preclude the existence of other societies apart from our own. However, if you are referring to the Judeo-Christian Bible (as I think you are), it actually mentions several species of extra-terrestrial lifeforms in various places, and it even goes so far as to describe their physical appearances in certain of those accounts. In fact, many of the people of the Bible are said (in the Bible itself) to have interacted with aliens from these different species.

I respect you greatly, and I think I understand what you mean, but there is a difference between a “race” and a “species.” Webster’s 1913 dictionary defines “race” as follows:

There is also a fascinating note in that dictionary which outlines the varied opinions of the time on the number and characteristics of the different races of humanity. Basically, just as there are different breeds of dogs, cats, horses, etc., there are different breeds of people.

Also, if you accept evolutionary theory in all of its intricacies, then you must also accept the possibility of genetic superiority existing in one race or another (or varied superiorities in the varied races, for that matter). How is it that Neanderthal man rose above the other Cromagnon if he did not become of a superior stock to them at some point in time? But this is an aspect of evolutionary theory that most people have a very difficult time grasping. Margaret Sanger believed she understood this and founded Planned Parenthood to control the breeding and propagation of what she considered to be inferior breeds of man. Of course it was incredibly presumptuous of her to decide for herself which race was most fit to survive, but statistics indicate that the dedicated and directed efforts of her organization have kept that particular race in the majority in the United States.

(Just to clarify, I don’t agree with the position of racial supremacy outlined in the previous paragraph. I agree with what I believe Matt meant to say. We are all one species, and it makes no sense to fight over physical appearances or even genetic differences.)

Jesus is quoted as having taught his followers the following: “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in someone else’s eye without considering the plank of lumber in your own eye? Take the plank out first, then you will be able to see clearly enough to take out the speck.”

Now by that I only mean to say this: If you want to change the world to be more like you, first make sure you are already what you want everyone else to be. I’ve got to admit, I found some points in your own postings to be “ignorant,” and one could easily call it “arrogant” to call others ignorant when you do not in fact possess complete knowledge of the topics you are addressing. That said, if you don’t want everyone else to be like you, then what do you want us to be like, and why are you the one to decide what we should be like? (Those are just open and honest questions that go through my head in conversations like this.)

We are all on this same path in life, seeking for the truth (albeit, some are seeking harder than others). The more people I talk to, the more convinced I am that we are all wrong about at least part of it. I suppose one could argue that some are more wrong than others, but it’s worth considering that even a little bit of active yeast will cause a whole lump of bread dough to rise if left for long enough. How are we ever going to teach and learn from each other if we don’t allow each other the grace to be wrong? Some people just take a bit more grace than others, that’s all :wink:

However, if you are referring to the Judeo-Christian Bible (as I think you are), it actually mentions several species of extra-terrestrial lifeforms in various places, and it even goes so far as to describe their physical appearances in certain of those accounts. In fact, many of the people of the Bible are said (in the Bible itself) to have interacted with aliens from these different species.

I remember finding Danikenist interpretations fascinating in my pre-Christian years, but later, deeper studies offer something that, at least to me, is far more satisfying.

As a general rule, these descriptions tend to be either symbolic (reflecting aspects of the Divinity) or describe beings from the spiritual world through simile. Here’s an example of the former: the prophet Ezequiel (Ez.10:10) saw a manifestation of God as a ‘wheel within a wheel’. UFO enthusiasts think of counter-rotating plates, but one with more years of scriptural scrutiny will discern a metaphor of the dealings of the Creator with man: a greater purpose that sets many smaller purposes and actions in motion. Plans within plans, levels upon levels, layers upon layers. Even in Creation, forces great and small act in perfect accord, as if controlled by an indivisible singularity of intent and power.

My black labrador likes poodles, collies, McNabs, chihuahuas, golden retrievers, german shephards, saint bernards and on and on…
He also likes most people. I wish he could talk.

I think you are misinterpreting what I said. The word “extra-terrestrial” means any being that is not from the planet Terra, the third planetary body from the stellar body called Sol. As an example of what I meant with reference to the Bible, the two species referred to as Cherubim and Seraphim neither originated from nor dwell primarily on the planet Terra (as far as I can tell). Whether they exist primarily as “spiritual beings” or “physical beings” is irrelevant to my point.

I’m not a Danikenist (I must admit I’d have to look that up on Wikipedia to even know what it is, apart from what your allusions tell me), and I’m not a UFO enthusiast. I simply believe that people over-spiritualize the Bible to the point that even those things which relate to modern thought and life seem so disconnected that they are viewed as worthless by society at large. I honestly believe that anyone who accepts the Bible as reliable should readily admit that there are lifeforms in this universe (or beyond it) which are foreigner to this planet that we live on. As such, I casually (and accurately, I believe) refer to them as “aliens” and “extra-terrestrials” and it seems presumptuous to me to assume that they do not have their own individual societies, seeing as we are only given glimpses into their activities (though I know that’s not precisely what you were saying). The Bible tells of these beings going to war with each other, having legal systems and court-like proceedings, and being employed in the service of either God or his Adversary.

I think this is the first time that I’ve honestly been able to say this, but I completely agree with you.

No way, they should totally be smote’d by archangels instead of eaten by the feeble dragons.

In my time as an archangel. I smotedid many humans. They make funny sounds when uncouple their cellular bondings.

Human stupid is limited to the gurgles they make a they choke on my blade.

As such, I casually (and accurately, I believe) refer to them as “aliens” and “extra-terrestrials”

Ah, all right. I hope I’ll be forgiven for assuming the more common meaning.

I simply believe that people over-spiritualize the Bible to the point that even those things which relate to modern thought and life seem so disconnected that they are viewed as worthless by society at large.

They’d be wrong to. Certain teachings (like dietary laws and letting the crop lands rest) are to be applied entirely in the physical domain. “Stay away from pork” is still good nutritional advice. Then of course you have spiritual laws.

There’s nothing truly new under the sun. We still have disease, death and poverty; conception and birth still work the way they used to. We still love, we still hate. We need and we want. We put our feet on our mouths, make mistakes and hurt others. The truly important things never change. An optimal guide is needed that will globally optimize the results, even if the steps fail to match ever-changing contemporary philosophies.

I think this is the first time that I’ve honestly been able to say this, but I completely agree with you.

It’s quite a relevant statement. That Labrador is definitely not racist!

@ Blendenzo: The “Wheel within a wheel” sounds like another reference to the astrological cross. Not to bring up that whole debate, or anything. I find the various links to astrology in so many different religions to be fascinating to me. I have my own theories about it all (nothing revolutionary, I’m sure someone else has considered them), but even tho I’m an atheist I find world religion, especially the ‘dead’ religions, fascinating in their various commonalities.

We’re not. Evolution is not a process with an end, and there is certainly no order of “more evolved > less evolved”. The only thing we’re particularly good at is higher level reasoning. We’re not particularly numerous, long lived or resiliant. However, these factors were probably key in gaining our intelligence, we needed something to keep us alive!

As a species, we don’t survive well in most environments, but we’re very good at changing our environment (no arguments about GW here, please, I mean local area) to suit us.

Humans are the last creation of nature , on the mammal zone, simple animals wee are.

Just to note there’s enough descriptions of God in the Bible to fill an encyclopedia. And I would wonder, who is the more accurate intepreter here, Blendenzo or COJL. People have interpreted the Bible in many ways and some claim to be more accurate then others.

Yeah, I think you guys already quoted Einstein.

“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the the universe.” (of course, I may have paraphrased)

peace,
-nick

…wow, that’s just…just perfect.

Not if I smite them first.:spin:

Wonderful return.