U.S.A and Blender: a parallel path?

[Jeacom]

@Aris_Nikolopoulos

also, completed your graph

[Aris_Nikolopoulos]

Hahahha
I’m not convinced, but nice!

[Romanji]

@JohnMarchant

The US System is not the imperial system anyway, it is called…

I don’t care…

@JohnMarchant

Metric is good for scientific and maths things, however in everyday life it has little benefits.

Powers of 10 are great for scientific calculations in base 10, but they are mostly terrible for visualisation or approximation in everyday life. A centimetre is often too small and a meter often too big, and no one uses decimetre, so it doesn’t matter that it exists.

Because of the factor of 10, these units aren’t conveniently divisible into thirds or fourths, which is again not conducive to everyday use.

Bullshit.

@JohnMarchant

It is easy to visualise a quantity double or triple of a given amount; it’s not easy to reliably visualise 10x of a quantity. For instance, you can see how big a centimetre is, but it doesn’t instantly give you intuition for how big a meter would be. And visualising 1000 such meters is again not trivial. So it’s not like the 10x multiplier helps a lot in everyday life.

More Bullshit.
Sorry, but i am not buying it.

[Aris_Nikolopoulos]

@JohnMarchant

Because of the factor of 10, these units aren’t conveniently divisible into thirds or fourths

(and I wanted to avoid making it about the metric, but I couldn’t resist:)
Actually this is the only valid argument against the metric system (there is a base12 system which can divide to halfs/thirds/fourths/sixths) but it is not an argument for the imperial system since it’s not consistent in its divisibility. (from 12 to 3 to 1760 to 60)
Don’t fight this one, man. You’re not going to convince anyone…

[miketche]

Sorry.

[JohnMarchant]

I am not arguing one system over another. Both have their strengths, yes it would be better if we all used one system globally.

[LazyVirus]

@system

Your post was flagged as off-topic : the community feels it is not a good fit for the topic, as currently defined by the title and the first post.

Off-topic
Haters gonna hate.

[zeauro]

@Aris_Nikolopoulos

• using alternative commands to windows: Why? if it lives in windows, it should not use different commands to it. (e.g. shift clicking on a list should select all the objects in between)

Fixed in Outliner GSOC branch. So, that should become default in 2.81.

@Aris_Nikolopoulos

• insisting on not having basic conventional tools: material libraries being the most obvious but not the only one

A Material Library addon is provided with 2.80.

@Aris_Nikolopoulos

• insisting on not recognizing objects as entities that can be exported/saved/imported as standalone files (why shouldn’t you be able to save materials as files?)
• insisting on not following long-established conventions, just for the heck of it, when by doing so, so many artists are discouraged from using it.

Material Library addon allows you to save your material as files.
You can also write OSL shaders as text file.
But as it was already written, a .blend file is a library. You can store any resource collection as a .blend file. So, anything can be written as a python file.
You can export your scene as an alembic file.
In 2.80, there is a new glTF importer/exporter.
And there is currently under development a branch allowing use of USD.

@Aris_Nikolopoulos

• Groups are gone! (Why are the groups gone? * missteps * Oh! that’s why!)

If you already grouped objects as collections, why regrouping them ?
There is no more reason to sustain 2 grouping systems.
You can use collections like a layer or like a group.

@Aris_Nikolopoulos

• no left->right / right->left selection.

That is the event system that controls that.
You can map a select operator to tweak mode left direction and right direction to another one.
But Blender uses a lot of tools and keymap was completely changed for 2.80.
Devs tried to not confuse old users too much.

@Aris_Nikolopoulos

• No render presets

They are still there. But it is less obvious.
All presets are now only accessible by clicking on an icon in title of a panel.
For Render Presets, click on icon in Dimensions panel.

@Aris_Nikolopoulos

• contextual instead of object-oriented tabs

They are both. Context is active object.
But Mesh tab is about mesh properties. Light tab is about light properties. World tab is about World properties.
They are object_oriented tabs.

@Aris_Nikolopoulos

• No scene presets

There are 5 file templates.
And you can find lots scene examples at cloud.blender.org.

[Aris_Nikolopoulos]

@JohnMarchant

yes it would be better if we all used one system globally.

but we are…

[Helmut_S]

Hey Aris, nice clickbaiting.

Are you aware that we already have plenty of those discussions around here?
It gets a bit boooooring.

[Aris_Nikolopoulos]

@zeauro

Fixed in Outliner GSOC branch. So, that should become default in 2.81.

Great!

@zeauro

A Material Library addon is provided with 2.80.

Man, I could not even begin to say in how many ways that lags behind what is industry minimum standards: previews, easy dropdown menus, less steps, NO NEED FOR TYPING for nearly every command!

@zeauro

Material Library addon allows you …//… allowing use of USD

Same as above.

@zeauro

If you already grouped objects as collections, why regrouping them ?
There is no more reason to sustain 2 grouping systems.
You can use collections like a layer or like a group.

Yes there is… clicks are faster than shortcuts and typing!
I am a shortcut guy myself, but pressing a single LMB is always faster than clicking a mouse -and then the LMB (or even worse, having to type as well)

@zeauro

They are object_oriented tabs.

Not enough.
There are many ways in which command grouping is not intuitive, and there is a lot of blurred lines. This one I would have to put more thought into explain it in more depth but is maybe one of the most important ones: I will try to put it as clearly as I can: In most programs each tab/dialogue has the same architecture and they vary between them according to the elements/entities they have to deal with. that way the user is already 80% familiar with what is going on.

@zeauro

There are 5 file templates.

Here It is my mistake: I was talking about scene states.
E.g. In max you can have a building with all its lights on and the environment set to a night hdri (one state) and another with all the lights off and a daytime hdri for environment. You can then start rendering 5 stills with daytime and 5 with night time. (also using sophisticated batch rendering)
Also, in scene states, you can hide/show layers so as to keep rendering faster.

Finally, to add another one:
navigation is clumsy. you can either pan, zoom or orbit (one at a time) but never in parallel.
(I had explained that in another post)

[Aris_Nikolopoulos]

@Helmut_S

Hey Aris, nice clickbaiting.

Do the admins pay for clicks? If that’s the case I can post photos of beautiful girls :))))

No my friend, I just wanted to express my feelings about the progrram, nothing more.
(Oh, and btw… if there are a lot of ‘those’ discussions, maybe it means that its worth having them)

[Renzatic (Professor Emeritus Billy H. Wafflesmith XIV Esq.)]

Hey, I hear we’re all talking about the metric system in here!

Wanna know why Metric is better than Imperial? Okay, I’ll tell you!

…it’s cuz fractions are dumb.

There. I said it. Finally got it off my chest. I’m leaving now.

:slams door:

[Aris_Nikolopoulos]

THIS THREAD:

[obsurveyor]

@Aris_Nikolopoulos

E.g. In max you can have a building with all its lights on and the environment set to a night hdri (one state) and another with all the lights off and a daytime hdri for environment. You can then start rendering 5 stills with daytime and 5 with night time. (also using sophisticated batch rendering)
Also, in scene states, you can hide/show layers so as to keep rendering faster.

You can set all this up in Blender with Scenes and then use the command line to batch your renders, selecting each of the scenes and frames or frame ranges.

[Renzatic (Professor Emeritus Billy H. Wafflesmith XIV Esq.)]

We’ve got left-click select now! What more do you people want? This site right here? The name doesn’t even make sense anymore! A year from now, people will be wondering in, asking “why is this place called right-click select”, and no one will remember why.

It’s tragic!

Also, I didn’t say Imperial sucked entirely, just the fractions. It’s hard to deny that the word “miles” has a more romantic quality to it than, you know, “kilometer.”

[Aris_Nikolopoulos]

@obsurveyor

You can set all this up in Blender with Scenes and then use the command line to batch your renders, selecting each of the scenes and frames or frame ranges.

Again: whole strategies (and border-line programming) for doing things that in other programs require but a few clicks!

[obsurveyor]

@Aris_Nikolopoulos

Again: whole strategies (and border-line programming) for doing things that in other programs require but a few clicks!

That doesn’t discount the fact that Blender can do what you are trying to imply it can’t. Everything except the batch rendering is very easy and intuitive to do with one click(not counting changing the options/collections/etc. you want for each Scene), no typing(though you may want to give Scenes reasonable names). Someone may have even addressed batch rendering but I’ve never needed more because the command line isn’t difficult to use either. It’s certainly not “border-line programming”.

[joseph_raccoon]

I hope it is not your real name you are using to do this, because honestly, this thread is enough grounds for any employer to choose not to hire you. A sad truth about creative fields (among others) is that a person’s whole life is up for consideration when they apply for a job and one question that every employer asks is “how likely is this a-hole to get us sued”

[anon27868450]

I found the new video tutorials on the blender fundamentals, very simple and very easy …
I believe that in a couple of hours (5-10 minutes each video) you can learn blender well even if you have never used a 3D program in your life. and with these videos you get to know 80% of blender.

I believe that now, the excuse that blender is difficult or out of the chorus, is mostly a pastime to have a chat in the bar.

the entire list of simple video tutorial here.