Ways to make money...

Hi all,

Well as the subject implies, I’m looking for ways to make money. Why not just get a normal 9-2-5 job? I hear you scream. First of all, I get bored really easily. Doing the same thing over and over again really gets me down. The next thing…well I’m not that good with people. I was educated at home and didn’t socialise all that much when I was younger and this has made it very difficult for me to work with people and make new friends. I don’t like the idea of kissing ass and I am a disaster at interviews.

So what’s left? I like the idea of working on a freelance basis but I don’t know where to start. I made some money from buying Yu-Gi-Oh cards from the local marcket and selling them on eBay but it wasn’t enough to feed me if you know what mean. I’ve also tried a variety of online methods to make money but they didn’t work out at all.

I’m quite pleased with the progress that I’ve made learning Blender and producing graphics although I’d still like to establish a website soon which I promised myself I’d do for the past year %|

Anyway, I can’t really think of a way to make money from my graphics creation abilities or any other of my abilities for that matter.

I can play the keyboard and have written several songs but I don’t know what to do with them.

Perhaps someone in this forum also works on a freelance basis and wouldn’t mind giving me some trusty advice. If you have any ideas or know of good ways to make money, please post them. I really do need an alternative. I’m not looking for a Get-Rich-Quick scheme I just want to earn a reasonable living.

Any advice would be appreciated

Thanks

Jon

arrrrrr ok

please don’t take this the wrong way. but

GET OUT MORE.

if you didn’t learn to socialise ealry in life i would suggest that you try REALLY HARD to do so now. you will feel uncomfortable at first, but will soon realise how easy it is, and get into the swing of things.

perhaps it starts with a 9-5 job that DOES have people skills involved, or a place where you can learn peoples skills.

this will make the rest of your life a lot easier, and IMO its better to get out of your shell before its perminant.

excuse of being taught at home is not IMO a good reason to hide away from the world. you have identified it as a weakness, and from my experience the best way to be successful is to build upon your weakness’

yu-gio cards are classicly “geek material” and will no help get out of a scoial hole, and will not help you with people skills.

CG is similar.

freelancing and such is unforunatly ALL ABOUT, the people you know, and the people skills you have. all jobs freelancers get a based on friends friends, people you met at a party… you will not get them by someone stumbling upon your website.

to succeed in life we sometimes need to do somthign we are not comfortable with.

i really do wish you luck with these things, but fear that you will get stuck if you go the lonely route.

Alltaken

I know that I should socialize a lot more but I’m still having a lot of difficulty with the language barrier.

I was born in the UK but a few years ago moved to Berlin, Germany. (Sorry, should have mentioned it before) I don’t even know where to begin to socialize. I’ve had some friends here in Germany but it’s never long before they stop phoning me up and hanging out. I guess I must make a bad impression on people. I don’t mean to. I would say sorry if they asked me to.

The only two friends I have, still live in the UK and we chat and play Counter-strike online every day over Internet but next month they go to Australia for a long time and…it’s gonna be tough. My friends don’t seem to know how much I’ll miss them. I was never good at showing them how important they are to me. I really hate myself for taking so much for granted and now I can’t think of anything to look forward to.

Anyway, thanks for the feedback

There’s not much to add to what Alltaken said.

You must solve your problems of socialisation and the ‘getting bored’ thing. Any work can make you bored and any work can be fun, it only depends on your decision.

I recommend to get a simple job (McDonald’s for example) to help you get discipline and meet people. That’s just for the beginning and to make a living.
If you get enough money to live it’s a lot easier to make future plans, now you’re just trying to get out of a deep hole and grab every straw you can get (well… roughly translated from german) not avoiding obscure methods.

You must start somewhere -> Your problems. Forget the idea of someone hiring you for Blender work. You will get hired for discipline, working behaviour, all these things. Learn that, get self-confidence, make plans, follow them.

Good luck.

Are you depressed ?

Perhaps someone in this forum also works on a freelance basis and wouldn’t mind giving me some trusty advice. If you have any ideas or know of good ways to make money, please post them. I really do need an alternative. I’m not looking for a Get-Rich-Quick scheme I just want to earn a reasonable living.

Any advice would be appreciated

I did freelance work for a while…
In order to do that you need to make a portfolio, your own website and a few other projects… this takes a bit of time… after you are happy with that you can start doing aquisitions… Sending emails, calling companys, sending letters to companies…

Reactions are always poor… some of the times ppl will tell you that they likd your work and they will keep you in mind… then they forget about you … that’s why bringing in projects is hard… you need to persist…but first of all , you have to have your stuff ready ,… your portfolio. …

The question, “are you depressed?” should not be quickly dismissed. Also: how and what are you eating? If you’re not getting proper nutrition – oddly easy to do in American society despite the quantities of food consumed – it can really do trash with your psyche. And such things are much harder to spot “from the inside POV.” (Mind you, I’m not trying to be catty here… it really is overlooked and a great many Americans are “overnourished and malnourished!”)

Language does not need to be a “barrier.” Being multilingual can be an advantage. I’d love to be bilingual and I’m working hard at it. Don’t take comfort in excuses. Sure, they tell you where you feel your weaknesses and/or your fears are, but “the doors to all those barriers are, for the most part, unlocked.”

You’ll probably never get to the point where you like interviews, unless you become a celebrity. You might need to learn-how to do them, but you know, it’s acting. It’s salesmanship. And it can actually be fun.

Alfred Hitchcock’s acting advice to Ingrid Bergman:
“Ingrid, fake it!

So you got butterflies? Who doesn’t? So you’re scared witless that you’re not qualified and you’ll fail and someone will find you out? Who doesn’t? More to the point, who’s gonna know? :slight_smile:

You’ve got something to sell, and the interviewer needs to buy. The question for both of you is, is this “the fit?” Or not. As the salesman you have to do more of the legwork, but remember, everyone with whom you interview is a qualified buyer, and the only way for either one of you to know if this is a good opportunity to do business is to … ask. “It’s just business.”

That’s what you tell your butterflies, anyway. Of course they won’t listen. :smiley: :smiley:

The four stages of knowledge:- You don’t know you don’t know. - You do know you don’t know. - You do know you do know. - You don’t know you do know.

You’ll be amazed how many practical skills fall under that fourth bullet point.

“I’m an expert witness … because I say I am.”
– Don Henly, The Gardens of Allah.

What you certainly don’t want to do is to, consciously or unconsciously, expect someone else to motivate you or to push you or whatever. All that does is to sell “self help” books, all of which can be summed up:

“Quit reading silly books like this one, and just do it.

Do it for yourself. Just to show yourself you can. And, surprise! You really can. Anyone can.

It sucks doesn’t it. Also, I didn’t socialise much with others as I was raised in a christian home though I wasn’t educated at home. That must have been bad. School is probably where you get the most interaction with people in your life. My problem with socialising is I don’t trust people too much. But I’m after the same things as you (I’m from the uk too and still here unfortunately).

Yeah, that’s the way to get noticed. I have a website/portfolio (though it’s not much yet) and I’ve applied for more than 40 jobs. About 10 I’ve had replies from. 2 said they were interested and just didn’t take it further. 1 said I didn’t have an art qualification, 4 or so have just rejected me without a reason. The other 30 or thereabouts I don’t hear back from them. Some companies I apply to say they have no vacancies but wish me luck.

Just gotta keep going. http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons6/2.gif

I’m depressed and I eat badly. It’s not so much I eat bad stuff but not enough and irregularly. I’m also sick most mornings http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons6/31.gif (no I’m not pregnant - relating to the male pregnancy thread). I’m a bit of an insomniac too so my sleep patterns are messed up. I agree, I think this is a much overlooked cause of depression - I think it’s a lack of vitamin B6, I’ve looked into it.

But they’re sooo comfy. :slight_smile:

FYI Solocreator, I believe sundialsvc4 is a salesman so expect more sales patter ;).

Me, I’ll know http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons6/17.gif http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons6/20.gif. I think I’m my own worst enemy because I dwell on my bad points - the curse of perfectionism. http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons6/46.gif

Are you related to Donald Rumsfeld? http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons6/24.gif

I can’t http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons6/20.gif

Solocreator, I’m in a similar situation to you. I want to do 3D stuff but I haven’t landed a job yet. The thing I hate is having friends and family constantly asking “so what do you do all day then?” AAAAGH I wish I could just http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons6/66.gif.

That makes me more depressed because they keep nagging but none of them help by finding me jobs. They just criticise me for not having one.

However and as much as I hate to admit it Solo, I think that sundial is right. A lot of the problem is self belief.

Even if, as you say, people seem to shun you and don’t call, you have to believe you’re better than that. It’s easier said than done and it’s something I need to learn too. I always think that people who think a lot of themselves are just condescending pricks and I try my best not to be like that.

Sadly I’m finding the old saying “the meek shall inherit the earth” to be a load of tosh. It seems that people who are self absorbed are the ones who make it to the top. Most celebrities are examples of this.

It’s like that you have to learn to love yourself before anyone else will. You have to believe you’re employable before someone will employ you. I reckon that’s why I have no job and no girl, I’m just too critical of myself. I don’t know how not to be though.

Man, no matter how much time I’ve spent around people or how familiar I am with them, I still get weird panic attacks if confronted face to face. Social disorders aren’t quite curable just by forcing yourself to get out more either. There are ways to help though, and if you’re one of the fortunate many who don’t have any disorders, it won’t be so hard.

I used to go to the most trafficked area of campus and just sit and read or watch people. Just being around the crowds allowed me to feel more and more comfortable speaking to strangers in instants or long term. I still didn’t find any really good friends, mostly just because I’m picky about my good friends. After the job I had this summer with a bunch of over 40 women that I couldn’t relate to at all I have learned how to interact regularly with people I have nothing in common with. That was something that would have given me the uncontrollable face twitch before. It only happens every now and then presently.

So far as making money goes - here’s my plan. I’m good with electronics, so I’ve designed some very unique guitar effects pedals that I plan to sell at an undercut price. I figure that once they’re finished, I’ll make about $6 an hour for my work on each pedal. It’s not much, but it’ll do a lot to supplement my college education. If there’s anything you’re good at, consider trying to enterprise with that. Let’s say you decide to do computer repair; people are accustomed to computer geeks being socially inept and weird so you’ll be fine dealing one-on-one with strangers, so long as you can do the work. I know that local governments sometimes need custom software and pay loads for it (at least they do here) and if you can program you may consider doing custom work like that. Even customized Access databases can make you money - and save your clients money. It’s still going to involve some networking though. I wouldn’t have gotten my job if I didn’t know my boss, because I’m also terrible at interviews. Even though this woman was my neighbor for 10 years, I was shaking and twitching like hell when I was turning in my application. I knew it was stupid, but couldn’t help it. You could try to find someone who could hook you up with a job and just grow accustomed to it. It’d force you into a normal sleeping schedule, eating habits, and etc.

I always felt I had social problems too. What I would do is SERIOUSLY work on them. I’d go to social place by myself and just hang out. I’d FORCE myself just to be there and be plesant and just… well sociable. I’d force myself to talk to people and I’d carefully think about what I said. I’d review it in my head before I said it.

Then I learned about empathy.

Empathy opened one crapload of major social changes in my life. What I would do it simply put myself in the other person’s position. I would try and think what they were thinking, using visual clues and verbal ones to help me get into their frame of mind. Just simply doing this made people feel comfortable with me even if I didn’t say a single word. It promotes ALOT of just listening and everyone in the world loves that.

It’s like a game of chess to me. I’d smile and say smalll things and just listen listen listen. Never EVER waiting for them to finish so I could say something. NEVER. Even if it’s the most impressive thing I could say and I’m itching to tell them, I would never say it. I’d swallow it whole and keep listening.

Please try this. It takes alot of work, but everyone loves that you try.

First the answer to md01,

I guess I am depressed. I’m very rarely feeling truly happy, in fact I can’t remember the last time. I don’t eat all that much and when I do, it’s usually at a strange time of day…or night for that matter. I don’t usually sleep for more than three hours if I manage to sleep at all that is. I often just stay up all night thinking or waiting for something new.

Things are still pretty bad but it makes me feel better knowing that things aren’t as bad as they used to be. Back home with my family I felt really oppressed and isloated from the rest of the world. I just wish I knew why my parents said the things that they said to stop me from hanging out with friends and even consider being successful. It’s a very long story that still bothers me to this day.

My portfoilio is what I’m working on now but it’s hard with my motivation levels being so low lately. I’ll keep trying though.

osxrules:

I also find it really hard to trust people and I can relate to a lot of the things that you mentioned. I was not only educated at home, it was also a Christian family which I sometimes found hard. I always believe that religious should be one of free choice as opposed to making it family tradition.

Enzoblue:

You’re right in that being a better listener and being more sympathetic makes it easier to socialize and make friends etc…but I find what a lot of people talk about really boring. If I over heard someone talking about time travel and the universe I might feel obliged to take part but other than that…there’s just no inscentive for me.

I’ll try the things that you suggested but I’ll probably just bug out at the last minute. Story of my life :frowning:

Thanks everyone for the suggestion and input. I know that I haven’t replied to everyone’s posts but I’m getting a little short on time.

Sorry

If you’re in total empathy mode, what they’re saying will be as exciting to you as it is to them.

Also if it’s a decent looking chick and she starts getting a mad urge to put out, I think time travel will pale sligtly in your conversational preferences. :wink:

I’d carefully think about what I said. I’d review it in my head before I said it.

Me too, but I have a slight problem with that: about 2 seconds before I actually say that I change my mind and say something else. Don’t know why. :\

SoloCreator. I use to be in exactly the same position as you are (well, maybe not to the same extreem). I never had any friends. I can only think of one person I have ever felt a little comfortable with. After graduating from highschool I decided to take some time off to familiarize myself with the Bible more, through personal study. Therefore, I had spent a lot of time at home – never socializing with anyone (at school I rarely talked to anyone, but at least I was able to listen to other people’s conversations). I never ate well and my sleeping habbits are pretty poor. Needless to say, after a several months of this I became depressed and didn’t do any of the things I had planned on doing (studying, blending, drawing, animating, computer programming, learning how to play piano … I had some pretty ambisious ideas in mind, but then I got into a rut and didn’t feel like doing anything at all). There is something about being isolated from everything that really messes with one’s mind and mood.

Then I got a job as a janitor. I know, that doesn’t sound like a good job. I really hated it when I first started, but now I actually enjoy it. I work with a good group of people who are all close to my age, and just being around people seems to help a lot. I don’t work much (only 18 hours a week) so I still have a lot of free time to work on personal projects, or do whatever. The point is, even the smallest amount of contact with people helps one’s mood. After all, humans are naturally social creatures, even if there are many who develop antisocial tendencies. The fact that there is no social contact affects one emotionally.

Also, you should learn to manage your life better. Create a schedule of when you will eat, sleep, and wake up, then try your hardest to keep to that regular schedule. The more one’s life falls apart, the worse one feels, and the less productive one becomes. You have to take hold, become organized, and regain structure in your life – which may be difficult for one who had home schooling (perhaps less strict of deadlines, or less strict of a teacher. Also, perhaps schedules would be more flexable and arbitrary). Say to yourself, after getting up in the morning I will have breakfast, jog through town for an hour (as physical activity also helps), then work at a part-time job, eat lunch. Go to the libary, talk to people about various topics (including your dream of doing free lance work. It is important for people to know what you want, so they could help you), find a book on something you never had an interest in, read for an hour (just to broaden your knowledge). Work on your portfolio, contact people who have similar goals and discuss what has been done and what could be done. Eat supper (perhaps at a resturaunt if possable). See people. Make small talk with the waiter/waitress. Go to bed at a reasonable time.

I still have a lot of reconstructive work to do on my own life (getting a driver’s licence would greatly help me), but I don’t feel my advice is without merrit. Get out more. You may not like it at first, but a part-time job, could become an enjoyable part of your life … even if it seems boring at times.

As far as making money is concerned, it takes determination. You have to always have goals on your mind (a collection of smaller goals is better than just one big goal) and every day work a little toward that goal – even if you don’t feel like working. Force yourself to follow through with work. Identify everything that needs to be done and do it.

Join the Army, NOW!

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if you live in any country other than america, i would actually agree.

join the army LOL

Alltaken

Actually, there are quite a few countries with active and deadly war zones other than the US…

yeah but its not on the cahnce of getting killed its on the morals of getting killed.

if you are in another country the reason for war is more likely reasonable LOL

for example my country sends our forces basicly 100% to protection missions, normally protecting villages from guriellas. and other such things. (on request from the people being protected)

i wouldn’t live with myself fighting for somthing i didn’t believe in.

Alltaken