@test-dr: I fail to see how that applys here? I was simply pointing out its rpetty low to stoop to the age thing. And just to clear it up: By religious, I meant the religion of open-source.
Mmm, just like I said, constant rants…
Yea, it is a shame that the fanatics in the “Open” crowed are so bloody “closed” minded.
Open source…Weee! everyone come and help build some great free applications! Oh wait, everybody except M$ because… Ummmmm… well… OMG! they are just evil ok!!
Just look at Bill Gates he ummmmm… well travels the world giving away his billions to charity … BUT OMG!!! he is evil too, because… err ummmm well he is with Microsoft!! And microsoft is evil, therefore he is evil too.
I’m surprised how this forum has taught me to ignore all of the religion bashing. I’m now a better Christian for it. Thanks!
Whether Microsoft has done more damage than good, is a matter of who you ask, but this is not what concerns us. Let’s focus on Blender’s specific scenario.
Personally, I don’t see where the complication lies. Microsoft has been circling Blender like a shark for quite some time. Pics of Elephants Dream were on their site. We’re in their on-site documentation. The “Expression Blend Bible” (Silverlight designer) references Blender several times. Blender can be used to export models to XNA and their latest presentation framework, and it can be used with their robotics studio. Looks like Blender would make a find addition to their product line, don’t you think?
(Links courtesy of Blendernation. I see where B@rt and the mods who removed the “handshaking exporter” thread would connect the dots and react to prevent our buying candy from ill-intentioned strangers).
At the very least, they want to milk the cow for free, and they’re asking the head Blenderists to lay down a red carpet for them. Microsoft has a long history of idea theft, strong-arming and monopolizing. Make no mistake: they’re predators.
There’s a lesson to learn from that. Open source, including Blender, would be nowhere without the “religious maniacs” as you call them. They are the driving force.
Psssst, could someone please tell this guy that blender started out as a CLOSED SOURCE APPLICATION! (yup that is right, Ton started out as one of those evil people who like to make money from his work).
So, basically it was not open source that made blender possible, it was good old GREED!!!
Someone else please tell him that the blender team recognizes that 80% of blender users are on windows, and that this might help 80% of the blender users out.
“The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few, or one.” -Mr Spock
There is no conflict between open source and greed. Look up the term “game theory” to find out how the GPL uses greed and copyright law to make open source projects grow.
Fact is that Blender would be dead without the GPL.
Someone else please tell him that the blender team recognizes that 80% of blender users are on windows, and that this might help 80% of the blender users out.
Out of what?
Bla, bla bla…
You get trounced again, then you come up with just another shovel full of shit we have to disprove. Well, I am not going to give you any more fuel.
Join should the debate team at your middle school so you can learn the rules of discussion.
If you’d call that religion, you’d also have to admit, everyone is religious in some way or form. There is at least one thing to which we all stay firm and/or sometimes preach. This even goes for the monk who sits atop a mountain and meditates all day, only to come down and tell the others that they should probably meditate.
So by bashing religion you are, in a sense, bashing human nature itself. We are ritualistic. BLah blah blah etc etc…
I’m surprised how this forum has taught me to ignore all of the religion bashing. I’m now a better Christian for it. Thanks!
And yet by stating this you’ve clearly shown the opposite to be true. Ironic…
Whether Microsoft has done more damage than good, is a matter of who you ask, but this is not what concerns us. Let’s focus on Blender’s specific scenario.
Hmmmm… where have we heard statements like this before… what follows can’t possibly be good can it?
Personally, I don’t see where the complication lies. Microsoft has been circling Blender like a shark for quite some time. Pics of Elephants Dream were on their site. We’re in their on-site documentation. The “Expression Blend Bible” (Silverlight designer) references Blender several times. Blender can be used to export models to XNA and their latest presentation framework, and it can be used with their robotics studio. Looks like Blender would make a find addition to their product line, don’t you think?
(Links courtesy of Blendernation. I see where B@rt and the mods who removed the “handshaking exporter” thread would connect the dots and react to prevent our buying candy from ill-intentioned strangers).
At the very least, they want to milk the cow for free, and they’re asking the head Blenderists to lay down a red carpet for them. Microsoft has a long history of idea theft, strong-arming and monopolizing. Make no mistake: they’re predators.
I’ll have to admit - the way this post started I was not expecting that. :eek:
Carry on…
Bla, bla bla…
You get trounced again, then you come up with just another shovel full of shit we have to disprove. Well, I am not going to give you any more fuel.
Join should the debate team at your middle school so you can learn the rules of discussion.
Calm the ^$&# down man:cool:…
I think everyone is religious in some form or other, though they may not call it that.
However, I was not bashing religion, read it again. I was bashing those fanatically supportive of the religion that is open-source.
Dont call me out if youre calling me on nothing.
@ropsta: Irony? I beg to disagree, of course. There’s a difference between responding to provocation and commenting on provocation for purposes of example. Your post, along with this response, happens to provide a second one.
So, are we gonna go on bickering, or can we learn to disagree amiably?
If you’d call that religion, you’d also have to admit, everyone is religious in some way or form
And we all, shameful as it is to admit, were once a part of the Cult of N00b!
I think everyone is religious in some form or other, though they may not call it that.
I have to agree there, My wife kept saying she was agnostic until I got some Viagra. Now she KNOWS I am god!
LOL… funny as hell man. So you were closed source too, until the mighty “V” made you open?
In case you didn’t notice: The debate is over. No Windows-specific extensions to the Blender codebase. The man with the plan has spoken. Get over it. If you think you need those extensions, fork the project and rename it. You are free to do so.
Whenever someone disagrees with you appeasers, the term “religion” comes up. It’s almost like Godwin’s Law. Another frequently used term is “conspiracy theory”.
Let me tell you this: If you think the antitrust rulings against Microsoft have no base in reality and all the evidence was fabricated, then YOU are the zealot who believes in conspiracy theories.
This is not about religion at all. It’s about my interests vs. theirs. It’s about the cost of vendor lock-in which can be measured in $ or €.
and so you show what your problem is: cause you are forced to think everyone is religious
- thats the reason you cannot get another imagination.
I tried to explain this with the math-example and you did not understand me, that people believing in countable numbers only - numbers you can count with your fingers - such people will never understand the sense of ZERO. Some will tell you ZERO is no number and you cannot count with it - others will tell you to use it like a normal number to be counted and will soon break down heavy with a divide by ZERO error. And now the first part of people argue this proves the useless of ZERO and show how insane those are who trie to calculate with ZERO.
and then some come up with negative numbers, fractals, unreals, vectors …tensors
- same is with this open-source-thing, for a lot of windows-users it is a thinking-pain,
for computer-users it is some flavour of operation-system,
for programmers it is a simple way to concentrate on coding and not on copyright issues.
and last (but not least) for people without the money, it is the only way to participate.
I never said you were bashing religion, man. I simply said what I said. Oh wait yes I did. Never mind.
I wasn’t really “calling you out” though. Just stating a general fact. The name attached to the post was irrelevant.
Re-read all my posts. The only person I really “call out” is CD, because he gives us “religious” folk a bad name.
@ropsta: Irony? I beg to disagree, of course. There’s a difference between responding to provocation and commenting on provocation for purposes of example.
If you say so;)
our post, along with this response, happens to provide a second one.
The entire purpose of that post and many to follow, of course:cool:
So, are we gonna go on bickering, or can we learn to disagree amiably?
I prefer to laugh it off, if you don’t mind. Plus Iz gave you yo props at the end fool:ba:!!!
I think it funny.
It’s like “use post-it note to remind self to buy more post-it notes.”
or
“forgot what I was gonna type here”
and so you show what your problem is: cause you are forced to think everyone is religious
- thats the reason you cannot get another imagination.
This is directed at Free_ality, but he’s not totally wrong in seeing things this way, is that’s how he see’s it. As much as we’d like to believe we are “different,” at the core of it we’re human. The only way a person could say he/she is free of religion would be if that person were free of habit. How many people are actually free of habit?
And most people can’t get another imagination. They only have one :(.
Ex: Math is religion. Try to imagine that.
Though, I could be wrong, as I often am.
Wasn’t this topic about M$?
@Test-dr: What? Ha, you didnt prove anything man 
Again, religion is completely irrelevant here…I dont mean ‘religion’ as in christianity, I mean it as in a strong loyalty to a belief.
And your little examples and niave generalizations dont make me take you seriously. Nothing youve said yet has really made sense, youre just talking in circles hoping you look like youre getting somewhere. “Religion” in no way stops me from seeing what others mean, or from changing my mind and switching ‘sides’.
You just arent really saying anything.
And exactly Ropsta, By religion, I mean a strong belief you have. Use whatever word you want instead, I was just being metaphorical(for those of you who were trying to make religion the focus or something). Oh, and for the record, youre def right, CD does kill the rep of all us religious folks(yes, Im religious).
Ha, it was, but as usual, it has to evolve out of control till a mod locks it, because folks are trying to pull offensive motives from innocent thoughts. Such is life, huh?
@free_ality: I hear that. People generally assumes and accepts certain things about the world without bothering/being able to verify them.
The meaning of red lights. The way to work. Karma. Personal traits of people around you. The existence of absence of superior beings, afterlife, aliens, what have you. We don’t stop at every joint to verify these things, even if they are verifiable (points of contention ultimately rest on this point); we just allow ourselves to believe them and work from there.
Strictly speaking, religion is also definable as comprised by a cosmology and moral precepts, but I agree with you that people generally has a system of beliefs.
Er… a bit off topic now, are we