What is the role of a moderator?

I have never really understood what these people are for. Sure threads that got porn or gory images or something really bad or illegal. Their role is to lock and delete these topics.

But what was the problem with the wisdom thread? It was just getting interesting and I was gonna reply and agree with the last comment someone made. Are these moderators taking away our ability to express and debate life’s biggest questions on the internet?

Is this forum run by moderators that act on personal beliefes? Are only certain views accepted on this forum? Only politically correct opinions? I think forums on the internet, especially if it’s a off topic forum should be able to discuss anything even if it’s not politically correct to do so. AND even if it offends some people!

If they are offended they should be able to reply back with their opinion, this is how we exchange knowledge and learn about other peoples views and cutures. Why should moderators be able to control our opinions and beliefs? Why aren’t we able to discuss them?

And are these moderators acting on personal beliefes? If there is someone that doesn’t agree with them or call them idiots they ban this person? If this is the case I think we should introduce a bit of democracy. Let’s elect the most active and objective member there is on this forum to be moderator.

This thread is to discuss the role of the moderators on forums. And if forums are being sensored because someones view is not politically correct. If someone locks this topic it really shows what kind of people are running these forums.

Peace & Love;)
-Vali

The reason certain topics are off-limit is that threads about that stuff inevitably turn into flame wars.

A moderator’s function is to maintain the level of decency throughout the discussion. Outside of filtering the daily spambots, make people post in the right forum and spend time attaching images instead of linking them it is their responsibility that the forum rules are being applied in every forum.

As you might have noticed, decency was a requirement when you signed up. This means that when you start insulting people, or intentionally provoke, it is their job to make sure people don’t start fighting instead of having a healthy discussion. This does not limited your ability to have an opinion, it only limits you not to insult the other guy behind his pc.

The wisdom thread did go haywire, and in my opinion so did the “are video games a form of art” thread. It did so because people were no longer having a healthy debate, but were either forcing opinions or calling names. Either are not appropriate in a forum.

Secondly, don’t be blind. A forum is owned. There is a guy behind this that is paying big bucks just to maintain this website. It costs him money, effort and organization to keep this forum ticking. If there is something that he does not like, and is not in his best interest or his believes, he has every right to close, kick or ban a topic or user. If you don’t like it, there is nothing stopping your from starting your own forum.

First rule on the page:

Be courteous and polite by showing respect to the opinions and feelings of others. Use of the forums is a privilege, not a right.

The moderators’ job is to enforce the rules. I’ve had many a conversation with a few of the mods on how the rules apply and I’d have to say, everyone I’ve talked to is very nice and positive about explaining things. Just my experience.

I lot of time when other beliefs are stated (one specifically) the entire forum except the few who stand for that belief flame the others. Is that civil? NO! should the Thread be locked? YES!

With flaming you mean people arguing about something? What is the problem with that? It’s through flame wars that we learn more about ourself and others right? If someone is swearing and is going into name calling mode then the moderator can give that person a warning. I don’t think there is a reason to lock the entire thread if just one person is name calling. For example someone called me an idiot in the thread before. The moderator could simply warn that person, and we could keep debating…don’t you agree?

There are many thing that you don’t understand but the rest of us understands why there are moderators on forum.

Sure threads that got porn or gory images or something really bad or illegal. Their role is to lock and delete these topics.

True.

But what was the problem with the wisdom thread? It was just getting interesting and I was gonna reply and agree with the last comment someone made. Are these moderators taking away our ability to express and debate life’s biggest questions on the internet?

This forum is not for a bunch of 18 year old having philosophical discussion. It’s a blender forum.

Is this forum run by moderators that act on personal beliefes? Are only certain views accepted on this forum? Only politically correct opinions? I think forums on the internet, especially if it’s a off topic forum should be able to discuss anything even if it’s not politically correct to do so. AND even if it offends some people!

No it’s not ok to discuss anything in the off topic. No, it’s not ok to offend other people even if you’re only honest. Think before you act.

If they are offended they should be able to reply back with their opinion, this is how we exchange knowledge and learn about other peoples views and cutures. Why should moderators be able to control our opinions and beliefs? Why aren’t we able to discuss them?

There was nothing that steered the discussion to anything intelligent or wise. This is a blender forum and people that come outside to this place shouldn’t be exposed to that childish behavior.

And are these moderators acting on personal beliefes? If there is someone that doesn’t agree with them or call them idiots they ban this person? If this is the case I think we should introduce a bit of democracy. Let’s elect the most active and objective member there is on this forum to be moderator.

No one gets ban unless the line is crossed too much. This is not a democracy, this is the internet. Live with it.

This thread is to discuss the role of the moderators on forums. And if forums are being sensored because someones view is not politically correct. If someone locks this topic it really shows what kind of people are running these forums.

No this thread is not about to discuss about the moderators. They are doing a great job and making this place more civil everyday.

Peace & Love;)
-Vali

I doubt that you mean it.

There are many thing that you don’t understand but the rest of us understands why there are moderators on forum.
I understand what they are for, I’m only questioning where the line is drawn on what can be posted in the off topic forum. There are forum games there are people talking about Zelda…there are people talking about plasma tv screen?

This forum is not for a bunch of 18 year old having philosophical discussion. It’s a blender forum.

So all of the above is allowed to be discussed but not anything people could have different views on? Like politics or religion or philosophy. These topics aren’t allowed because?

No it’s not ok to discuss anything in the off topic. No, it’s not ok to offend other people even if you’re only honest. Think before you act.

You seem to be well educated on what you can talk about and what you can’t talk about. Please share your knowledge Big bad.

There was nothing that steered the discussion to anything intelligent or wise. This is a blender forum and people that come outside to this place shouldn’t be exposed to that childish behavior.
Who’s opinion is that, yours? So from your point of view people with different views or opinions than yours should be banned or silenced?

No one gets ban unless the line is crossed too much. This is not a democracy, this is the internet. Live with it.

Educate me on what line that is Big bad.

No this thread is not about to discuss about the moderators. They are doing a great job and making this place more civil everyday.
I know it isn’t, this thread is about what you are allowed to say and what you aren’t allowed to say. What opinions are allowed and what opinions aren’t allowed.

let me just say one thing :

@Vali - you often say that you have the right to voice your opinion. and yes, you do - we all do. However, the way in which we voice/post them is another matter entirely. :slight_smile:

May the Blend be with you all :smiley:

edit - @RedJay : thanks for that quote :slight_smile:

Everyone has to follow the rules, and no one is immune, I have been temp. banned a few times for posting crap and discussing things forbidden by the rules as well as being harsh about it. Other people will also get temp. banned from time to time and in rare cases may not even see their ban end.

PlantPerson has at one point instated a new method of rule enforcement that will have a more liberal use of temp. bans, where it’s easier to get one if you’re being a major contributor to an out of control flamewar and ad-hom fest.

I’m not sure where the moderation is with you right now, but I’m not one to guess as only they would actually know. (surprised at how much you had to learn on how forums work)

The way in which we voice/post them is another matter entirely. :slight_smile:
The most entertaining debates are the debates where you try to make the opponent bow down at your feet begging for a quick execution. Everyone loves those moments…

Flaming isn’t quite arguing.
You can argue with something. For instance:
“I’m sorry, I doubt this, because…”
rather than
“Bull***, you’re an ***, *** ****, …”
(Ok, that was probably an extreme example, but it happens sometimes)

The way you post something matters much more than the actual content.
You know, pretty much every word in a sentence has a general and a personal meaning. What you put into the general meaning, even if it’s the hugest crap ever expressed, doesn’t really matter.
However, when you start filling sentences with meanings, which personally attack the person you reply to, that’s not ok, not fair (you really can’t know who you talk to, except you met that person in real life and had an indepth look into his/her life and reasoning.)
and also it doesn’t lead anywhere good.

It’s that sometimes subtle difference between arguing about something, somebody said and arguing about the somebody him/herself.

It’s that sometimes subtle difference between arguing about something, somebody said and arguing about the somebody him/herself.
In most cases to prove someone is wrong you have to look at what kind of person he/she is. Then go to the roots of the problem, where he got his beliefs from. What cultural values he follows and if he is under severe or lethal brainwashing. You aren’t attacking the person, you are just trying to figure out where he got his beliefs from then point that out to him. Show him what is wrong in his ways of living and how he has been brought up then compare it to nature and how the circle of life works. I don’t care if he thinks the medicine tastes bad, it’s good for him. :wink:

If the brainwashing of said person could be lethal, that person automatically wouldn’t exist anymore. (Or am I wrong, that lethal essencially means the same as deadly?)

But that wasn’t your main point here, I see…
Well, I think, I am unable to share that oppinion. Someone could simply be wrong, because he heard of that topic the first time yesterday(/not too long ago) and hadn’t had enough experience with it. Usually, that person will be happy to be corrected or, if he has an objection, to peacefully discuss the topic, without any insulting or falling back on stuff like brainwashing.

Finding the roots of the problem requires a problem. Misinformation isn’t directly one. It’s made into one, if people start to insult each other, because of it… - if everyone stood civil and peaceful during a discussion, there wouldn’t be any problems. Certain topics will always be discussed and wont have an end. It’s basically the kinds of topics that are exceptionally driven by opinion. In those discussions, nobody is wrong. Nobody is right either. The only possibility is, that two opinions differ so much, that, if there was a definite answer, only one of them could hold it, i.e. the other one would be plain wrong or a lie. Such topics usually don’t have a definite answer, though.

Also, you don’t need to know what kind of person your (in lack of a better word) opponent is, to successfully either keep a discussion going or come to a final conclusion, everybody can agree with. Probably, that’s the rarest outcome ever, in a discussion. The only situations where that might work, are actual proofs. Most things worth a discussion either can’t be prooved at all or current means make it very difficult to proof the topic. (Why would somebody discuss stuff that has been definitely prooven? - the only reason I could think of is, that one or more of the involved persons don’t know about that proof, yet. Or, often due to formal complications, it could be beyond somebody’s mind - not in the sense of being not intelligent enough but in the sense of not having enough background knowledge with that topic)

Because it’s the rules. Follow the rules

You seem to be well educated on what you can talk about and what you can’t talk about. Please share your knowledge Big bad.

I use something called common sense.

Who’s opinion is that, yours?

Yes.

Educate me on what line that is Big bad.

Line is that one that the moderators draw.

I know it isn’t, this thread is about what you are allowed to say and what you aren’t allowed to say. What opinions are allowed and what opinions aren’t allowed.
Again. Common sense and life experience decide what you should and shouldn’t do.

Me and ace dragon were temp banned because we were causing a big fuss over religion. Looking back I can see that it was ridiculous situation. There is no right and wrong, and opposing other view on people by looking down on them won’t help the cause one bit.

So I’ll make a recap what I just said:

Blender artists forum has rules. Moderators are keeping the peace on these forums. Moderators draws the line. Use common sense.

Lethal brainwashing as in it’s not good for him. For example:

-Eating too much fast food.
-Sitting in front of the computer/books way too much.
-Using mind drugs, because his insecurity goes away. (Bible, alchohol, Zelda etc…)

These are just some examples, they are all actions of people who is suffering from lethal brainwashing from society. These actions if performed during a longer amount of time without being interrupted by me or another non brainwashed person can lead to death.

There might indeed be some people who use the medias you mentioned to hide their insecurity but I can assure you, that that’s a minority. I think, you’re taking the brainwashing a bit too far.
And pretty much anything can lead to death. The dose makes the poison.
It’s not even healthy to breath pure oxygen. You need a certain mix of gases. Pure oxygen is too reactive.
Same goes for too much pure water. if you drink, like, 20 litres of pure water, you wash out a lot of important micronutrients. - I once even heard, it actually starts to become poisonous at these amounts.

You clearly stated “too much” in two of your examples… that’s certainly true (well indirectly. It doesn’t quite brainwash you but it’s not healthy.) However, I’m not sure what specific amounts you personally mean, when you say “too much” - for some reason, I have the feeling that your view of “too much” isn’t quite the amount, most would call realistic.
And I would add this “too much” to the third point, too.

Ok, I’ll stop this now, before I use the “too much” too much.

-Sitting in front of the computer/books way too much.

However I seem to notice you spend most of your day in front of a computer because you’re on this forum for hours a day (unless it’s a pedal-powered computer it’s in the middle of the woods with wireless internet) O.o

Otherwise I notice you’re trying to start a flamewar again, I can’t guarantee the mods will treat it kindly if it happens again.

There might indeed be some people who use the medias you mentioned to hide their insecurity but I can assure you, that that’s a minority. I think, you’re taking the brainwashing a bit too far.
And pretty much anything can lead to death. The dose makes the poison.
It’s not even healthy to breath pure oxygen. You need a certain mix of gases. Pure oxygen is too reactive.
Same goes for too much pure water. if you drink, like, 20 litres of pure water, you wash out a lot of important micronutrients. - I once even heard, it actually starts to become poisonous at these amounts.

You clearly stated “too much” in two of your examples… that’s certainly true (well indirectly. It doesn’t quite brainwash you but it’s not healthy.) However, I’m not sure what specific amounts you personally mean, when you say “too much” - for some reason, I have the feeling that your view of “too much” isn’t quite the amount, most would call realistic.
And I would add this “too much” to the third point, too.

Ok, I’ll stop this now, before I use the “too much” too much.
Too much of anything isn’t good, I agree :wink:

unless it’s a pedal-powered computer it’s in the middle of the woods with wireless internet) O.o
It is :wink:

Me and ace dragon were temp banned because we were causing a big fuss over religion. Looking back I can see that it was ridiculous situation. There is no right and wrong,
Religion is never right…anyway we aren’t arguing now are we. I agree with a lot of your views.

Vali, I think people would respect your oppinions more if you presented them in a more respect full way you get no were but anger when you insult someone and the person you are insulting would get angry and and insult you back and so begins the loop you get no were but where you started. you have no control whatsoever over this website and even if you were able to cause some kind of uprising against the moderators or whatever your doing the person who owns this blog would simply ban those members and go on with his or her life. I dont think the person who runs this website is going to listen to you because of the reputation you have earned.

peace
Josh