Who has AI already replaced?

Yes, I agree with you on that. Some more technical job definitely appeared, but there is not a huge shift, as it was the case during the industrialization.
Regarding the topic of this thread, this is due to automation in general and AI is just a part of it.

Also a heavily automated field, and when not automated, very often outsourced overseas.

Generally, with the increase in high tech industry, you see more low paying jobs, and a small amount of high paying jobs. On average, it might even be a net increase in pay, but when you look at the median income, wages tend to go down for most people.

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I hope you wife will not read that you mentioned her at the third placeā€¦ because thenā€¦ you will get very very unhappyā€¦ :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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Thatā€™s now - but thatā€™s an evolution of the role. When IT support roles first became a thing - they were very localised and very manual.

The automation that came in IT support, came at the benefit of the programmer who designed and built the automation tools. The fact that IT support is often outsourced is again due to improvements in technology in the countries itā€™s outsourced too - how many jobs did installing that infrastructure create?

Iā€™d suggest that most jobs tend to become more automated (or less manual) over time as technology improves. Itā€™s kinda inevitable - unless we intentionally stifle progress.

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Yes. Used to be that a new level of technology created a whole bunch of new jobs for which existing workers could be retrained and new workers could be guided into. Now itā€™s qualitatively different because weā€™re no longer in a situation where that happens (weā€™ve already not been in one in certain domains before AI became the buzzword of the day; manufacturing is a good example). The level of automation we currently have creates a very small number of new jobs, and the new jobs created donā€™t lend themselves to retraining for manual labourers. Where do the people go who lose their jobs? Used to be they could try to at least go laterally, but that doesnā€™t really work anymore either, because automation / AI is making inroads everywhere now.

This is much more threatening to our current way of life than the industrial revolution was. I agree with @DNorman that the positive long-term outlook is that of liberation from drudgery, from having to spend most of our lives in jobs we might not even like, but weā€™re now losing more and more jobs that people actually like doing, and we wonā€™t get there unscathed. Weā€™ll have to restructure our society from the ground up ā€“ thatā€™s never easy, and people in power will probably drag their feet until it gets bloody. Not something to look forward to. Thinking positive matters for oneā€™s own approach to the problem, but that wonā€™t make an overall societal solution magically appear.

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:+1: for the coffee shop exampleā€¦ if i would buy one on every third i pass in one dayā€¦ then i would properly would sleep for the next monthā€¦

And i never understood the economical benefit about itā€¦

ā€¦i also sometimes donā€™t understand the ā€œusefullnessā€ for some people working in an officeā€¦

Example: for some of my assurances i was at the assurances office (two streets away from me) and they changed somethings directly on the computerā€¦ and when i had to resign one of it then someone wrote a complete letter (no template), i signed it, he faxed it to the HQ, someone else had to read it and use a computer to send me the notificationā€¦ (of course i have to sign somethingā€¦be it a paper or something digitalā€¦ ) now i know why this assurance is so expensiveā€¦ they have to pay so many people in nice suits and dressesā€¦ :person_shrugging: :interrobang:

And iā€™m sure the letter writing guy has a bigger salary than meā€¦ maybe he also makes the coffe in the office :wink:.

ā€¦and the bakery :cupcake: :sandwich: stores inbetween themā€¦ or the smartphone storesā€¦

Apparently there seems to be some jobs in the world whichā€¦ wellā€¦ could be replaced or changed easily and someone has to think about how ā€œimportantā€ their actuall job isā€¦

ā€¦ :thinking: strangly some YTā€™ers came to my mindā€¦ some do get only money just because of the clicksā€¦ and if YT changes somethingā€¦ the outcry is enourmousā€¦ mayebe thatā€™s also the reason why you buy their merchandising productsā€¦ ( why would i wear a T-shirt from some YTā€™r who pimps up everything just with painting it with an expensive paintā€¦ or make every smartphone type goldenā€¦ orā€¦ :person_shrugging: )

And all this might not even be related to AIā€¦ but about rationaleā€¦ ??

The problem with your argument is I could replace over half the boilerplate in your backends with a one-off script; no AI needed.

Iā€™m sure it created a bunch of jobs, again, quite possibly more than it displaced, but at a much lower wage. The same job is done, but the profits are higher and the rich get richer.

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Yes, I know. 90% of development is exactly the same every time. Itā€™s the 10% that matters- and that AI struggles with

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What does that even mean ??

So what exactly can you do ?? Or the AIā€¦ and does this really enhance somethingā€¦ ??

Of course any web-admin or dev could make a mistake and something went wrongā€¦ but if AI just do somethingā€¦ then who does the fix ??
You know that the best methode to fix something is not making those fix this who made thisā€¦ this also applies to AIā€¦ of course someone can prompt:

: Fix that script.

But then there are humans who does thisā€¦ but also they canā€™t be blamed if it doesnā€™t fixā€¦ because they canā€™t in the first placeā€¦

Soā€¦ according to developementā€¦ maybe itā€™s just that some idea was quite nice but when it came up to massively usage then there are some flaws in the architecture itselfā€¦ but nevertheless there are popping up for example computer languages, web frameworks, virtual money , AI-portales etcā€¦ almost monthlyā€¦

ā€¦andā€¦ ? Do they solve the problem ??

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Drudgery workers.

Real programmers (I am not talking about script writers or only drudgery programmers, I am talking about real programmers and engineers), real engineers, real artists, real etc. etc. do not need afraid about that.

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Thatā€™s not even remotely true. ā€œRealā€programmers are just as much at risk as anyone else

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Not yet. Code generation starts to work for simple examples. It is just a matter of time, until they become able to work in larger code bases and add/modify code.

Never an AI writes a real code. Bu I say real code, I do not say script, or simple drudgery programs.

I am senior C/C++ programmer, and I know how works an AI.

Why not?

I am also a senior programmer and I am working with AI, so?

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Yeah, and AI will never paint images, write poems or compose music.

Your argument is but another forced retreat into the next fallback position youā€™ll have to give up soon, just like all the others before.
I fear youā€™re in massive denial of whatā€™s happening in plain sight.

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So?

How do that? Explain.

If you working on AI, you exactly know an AI how do paint an image or compose a music. They are not a real paint or composing.

I donā€™t how you define ā€œreal codeā€, but AI can and does write it. You have no sources to back up your claims and your descriptors are not quantifiable. I assure you that whatever youā€™re imagining AI canā€™t do, it can. Anything that can be done by a human with a a keyboard and mouse can be done by a computer alone.

I use GitHub CoPilot to help automate the 90% boilerplate on development. Itā€™s not perfect but itā€™s extremely powerful. It also works on Python, C++, and every other language Iā€™ve thrown at it. The only reason it canā€™t create an entire project on its own is because it needs a human to navigate the complexities of client requests (something AI continues to struggle with, as clients arenā€™t logical)

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It is drudgery programming. I never call it programming. Actually I like this, because I never like drudgery works. It makes easy of my works.

Youā€™re clearly trolling. Stop it. This is a serious discussion and your insults are not needed here