Novell released XGL : 3D acceleration for X.org
In other words :
All your eyecandy are belong to us
They say that a SUSe version with XGL enabled will be out in 5-6 months, Yay !
SuSE? ick… my dad runs SuSE
[time to make him replace that geforce 2 it is…]
the window warbling was awesome.
It doesn’t even need a powerfull 3D card, it’s just a bunch of uvmapped planes for windows, nothing complex. But it does looks awesome 
Did I just go back in time 2 years? Transparent windows, animated hiding of windows, ordered (though unintuitive in this case) preview of windows at the push of a button, 3D cube zooming and all rendered in OpenGL. Next you’ll be telling me about widgets or instant search. Innovation wherefore art thou %|.
I’ll admit that using the 3D cube for multiple desktops is quite good and would be an interesting alternative to using multiple monitors but apart from that, :yawn emoticon:.
Of course the functionality is a copy from some mac OSX features (don’t tell me that apple never takes things from OSS), but the technology isn’t. XGL doesn’t depend on a particular desktop manager as OSX does.
With xgl you can accelerate any linux window manager like KDE, fluxbox, xfce, etc… And also it has a plugin architecture so that coders will be able to easily add innovative features. It also benefits from X architecture so it means that you can run that trough networks.
The other advantage is that now we can have top notch eyecandy without having to purchase overly expensive and yet outdated hardware.
You do know what wherefore means, right?
You do know what wherefore means, right?
What does it mean to the more lazier person that doesnt want to google it?
Its sounds cool this XGL, although I dont see why some one would want their desktop to look like a square. I’d prefer a sphere.
No, but they acknowledge it when they do.
It doesn’t depend on it so to speak, it’s just integrated into the window manager it uses. I don’t see that as a limitation. Quite the opposite given the state of Linux GUI fragmentation. This will just compound the problem IMO.
Theft tends to give you that advantage. Don’t you think that UI designers need to be paid for their hard hours in the office coming up with cool ideas? A simple acknowledgement isn’t much.
Also, OS X actually runs on fairly old hardware, it’s just that hardware rendering needs a certain level of graphics card - a Geforce or Radeon, which I’ve heard will be the case with XGL. It uses the same rendering technique of mapped planes anyway. Certain WMs will likely have lower requirements than others though - OS X does a bit more than just slide stuff around. The stuff inside the windows are all double buffered and anti-aliased.
You do know what wherefore means, right?[/quote]
Sure, I was asking what the purpose of innovation is if people just come along and steal your ideas without giving you credit for it.
Nah, actually I was using it in the apparently common misinterpretation of the phrase but I was banking on the majority of Elysiun users not being choir-boy emo wannabes who read Shakespeare :D.
Now this is really some good eyecandy O_o ohh my…
Is this feature going to be added to all linux distributions, like Ubuntu, Fedora and such?
I’m really thinking of to install Linux in the future on my future pc 
I’m thinking of to buy a new one, this one it quite outdated (5 years old) if it comes to graphics and speed for graphic design, 3D, and ofcourse games 
Now there only need to be an application that runs windows applications for sure. Else I still can’t switch since I need Adobe applications for my profession, cause Gimp ain’t good enough to compeet with another freelancers 
As well that I have to run Macromedia flash and stuff.
But yes it looks awesome, only have to find a kickass desktop theme and it rocks even more then Mac OS
Theft tends to give you that advantage
How can it be theft? the OSX source code can not be seen by anyone except the coders at MAC. So all code in Linux was not stolen from anyone.
The idea maybe… but nothing else.
That’s what I said but you say it like theft of intellectual property is something you condone. How about if a business puts the McDonalds arches in their logo or the Nike, Pepsi etc. logo. Why isn’t that ok? Why is it not ok to take Blender, rename it luxuriousity and sell it as your own innovation? It’s just morally wrong that’s why. All I’m saying is that people should give the credit to the people who put in the hard work and I would criticize Apple when/if they do the same thing. It just seems to me like they are the ones always getting screwed by people who critcize their high prices and support companies who blatantly steal from them.
Heh, my brother say that and now he wants linux, even if he has to say bye bye to all his window applications…
I would say it more taking the idea and making your own from just that idea.
When you say its like taking Blender and changing the name. I would argue its not. Its taking the idea of Blender and making a completely new piece of code for it. These are 2 completely different things.
The MAC OS is based on Unix. Does this mean that the hard work of the coders that created the OSX from the idea of Unix deserve no credit as they took the idea of Unix and created there own OS with no Unix code in it?
Or should the actual coders of the OS get the credit while in the history books it will be known that the idea was based on Unix.
The same will happen here. The coders will get the credit from their hard work but it will go down in the history books that the idea was from the MAC.
Touché.
Then i suppose that you are coherent enough to admit that blender node shader system is a theft from xsi, and that the 3D widget is a theft from 3DS.
For people that want a more complete preview : right here :
http://www.freedesktop.org/~davidr/xgl-demo1.xvid.avi
:o
and yes it will run on any distribution, it is designed by novell for suse, but some people are already making it working under ubuntu dapper. I think that we could expect it to be well integrated for dapper+1 release.
I may try suse again 
I second that… for those people who wonder where some ideas come from just read this…
https://blenderartists.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=57636
It’s not like we can’t come up with original ways of doing things it’s just that too many people want what they have been fed via media.
Same goes with people that look at this kind of eye candy and say… “oh that’s just ripped from this or that”
You just can’t see what is going on because you have never tried it, don’t know about it and don’t care. The fact is that the only reason you are writing your little flame comment, is because next week you will turn 14 and a half years old, and now you have an opinion.
next…
I dunno, I’ve been waiting for something like this for quite a while, for the longest time I really hated linux because of its inferiority in looks compared with windows… nowdays linux is quite easy for a windows user to use, in fact, i’ve had people sit down at my laptop, and only after half an hour of using it realize it wasnt windows that was running on it. Xgl is really cool because its basically saying hey, we can catch up to the big boys, and i bet that someday a n opensourced based OS will overtake windows, At least thats my opinion. And i think Xgl is one of those things to get windows users interested in what linux has to offer, Linux isnt for everybody, but neither is windows, and honestly linux is better suited to the fill every need possible role, than windows is, and up till recently windows has filled that role, with great mediocrity. anyway, I’ve gone off on my linux rant for the day… carry on.
I would think that they would be credited by association. As I said, Apple freely admit they use unix and are therefore indirectly accrediting its contributors. In this case, Novell show nice graphics and then the name Novell as if it’s all their own. I agree other people recognise immediately where it comes from but it goes a long way when the people developing it admit the same.
Yeah, the node system could have been taken from Maya too or a number of programs but I think we’re reaching a grey area. There is a difference between copying the design of something and copying the concept. If you make a logo of your own then you are copying the concept of using iconic representation to sell products but if your icon is unique then it’s ok. If you copy the design of the logo, whether or not you implemented it yourself, you are stealing other people’s intellectual property.
Now, I’ll accept in this case that the implementation of a graphics compositing engine requires a lot of work and as kit said, the source code was not available to see so I guess I could let it slide. I was just looking at it from a moralistic point of view.
My main issue is that although I’m in favour of the unix philosophy of sharing, I rarely see innovation from that community except in the system itself. The software usually tries to offer competition to commercial products for free and often that involves copying that product’s design and saying look, Linux can do it too. The most obvious example I can think of is the Photoshop-Gimp thing. Instead of trying to win users by offering free versions of commercial products, start coming up with really cool ideas and integrate those ideas into a unified system. That way developers will be able to offer their commercial products to you and you won’t have to copy their ideas.
Anyway, I quite liked the last movie with the wobbly windows and snapping. I think people might eventually get tired of fancy effects if they are counter-productive though. The feature I liked was the multiple desktops because it’s actually useful. I see you get it for the Mac too (though not integrated) but still it’s a cool feature:
Sorry to ran on your parade, but multiple desktop is something that’s been around for eons.
It’s about as new as spice racks.
The usefulness factor is undoubtable though.
Martin