You are to blame

  • Americans could have their citizenship revoked, if found to have contributed “material support” to organizations deemed by the government, even retroactively, to be “terrorist.” As Hentoff wrote in the Feb. 28 Village Voice: “Until now, in our law, an American could only lose his or her citizenship by declaring a clear intent to abandon it. But – and read this carefully from the new bill – ‘the intent to relinquish nationality need not be manifested in words, but can be inferred from conduct.’” (Italics Hentoff’s.)

    • Legal permanent residents (like, say, my French wife), could be deported instantaneously, without a criminal charge or even evidence, if the Attorney General considers them a threat to national security. If they commit minor, non-terrorist offenses, they can still be booted out, without so much as a day in court, because the law would exempt habeas corpus review in some cases. As the American Civil Liberties Union stated in its long brief against the DSEA, “Congress has not exempted any person from habeas corpus – a protection guaranteed by the Constitution – since the Civil War.”

    • The government would be instructed to build a mammoth database of citizen DNA information, aimed at “detecting, investigating, prosecuting, preventing or responding to terrorist activities.” Samples could be collected without a court order; one need only be suspected of wrongdoing by a law enforcement officer. Those refusing the cheek-swab could be fined $200,000 and jailed for a year. “Because no federal genetic privacy law regulates DNA databases, privacy advocates fear that the data they contain could be misused,” Wired News reported March 31. “People with ‘flawed’ DNA have already suffered genetic discrimination at the hands of employers, insurance companies and the government.”

    • Authorities could wiretap anybody for 15 days, and snoop on anyone’s Internet usage (including chat and email), all without obtaining a warrant.

    • The government would be specifically instructed not to release any information about detainees held on suspicion of terrorist activities, until they are actually charged with a crime. Or, as Hentoff put it, “for the first time in U.S. history, secret arrests will be specifically permitted.”

    • Businesses that rat on their customers to the Feds – even if the information violates privacy agreements, or is, in fact, dead wrong – would be granted immunity. “Such immunity,” the ACLU contended, “could provide an incentive for neighbor to spy on neighbor and pose problems similar to those inherent in Attorney General Ashcroft’s Operation TIPS.”

    • Police officers carrying out illegal searches would also be granted legal immunity if they were just carrying out orders.

    • Federal “consent decrees” limiting local law enforcement agencies’ abilities to spy on citizens in their jurisdiction would be rolled back. As Howard Simon, executive director of Florida’s ACLU, noted in a March 19 column in the Sarasota Herald Tribune: “The restrictions on political surveillance were hard-fought victories for civil liberties during the 1970s.”

    • American citizens could be subject to secret surveillance by their own government on behalf of foreign countries, including dictatorships.

    • The death penalty would be expanded to cover 15 new offenses.

    • And many of PATRIOT I’s “sunset provisions” – stipulating that the expanded new enforcement powers would be rescinded in 2005 – would be erased from the books, cementing Ashcroft’s rushed legislation in the law books. As UPI noted March 10, “These sunset provisions were a concession to critics of the bill in Congress.”

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15541
http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/Terrorism_militias/20011031_eff_usa_patriot_analysis.php

Every liberal, conservitive and moderate is to blame for this bill, thanks to the idots that voted these tyrants in, America is now a police state, thanks for destroying our freedom and thanks for making a worse future for our children.

I sure as hell didn’t vote for Dubya, and as far as I’m concerned, he stole the presidency and should be removed from office. And you’re darn skippy about the police state. A friend of mine just immigrated to Canada because he doesn’t want his children to grow up in a fascist country. People are talking about implementing McCarthyism again. What a horrible thought. And worse than a fascist, he’s a crusader. When will people learn that spouting off about apple pie and baseball does not qualify one as a politician, or a proponent of freedom.

They will learn when there freedom is gone. Being a polictical super power also contributes to the down fall. The way I see it, the UN and EU will go down the same road.

What people? And secondly, McCarthyism isn’t something you can implement. Its a name for the way the communist party was treated during the cold war, SPECIFICALLY when McCarthy was involved. Its not a new word you can use off the top of your head like, “Hey you can’t do that, thats McCarthyism.” or “Hey did you see that McCarthyism last night?” or “Hey lets implement McCarthyism” It doesn’t really work that way.

Everybody needs to relax. The government goes in big cycles of being more “police like” and less “police like”. If it weren’t for the flexibility of the system, there’d be nothing the government could do to implement ANY new security measures. And the president will only be in power for at the most 8 years. Then someone else will be in there and it’ll be a new ball game. Didn’t you notice that its only under republicans that the country feels unsafe? Its their job…they’re pals with defense contractors and big businesses. Government subsidies to corperations make the world go round when they’re in power so the the media sells us this BS to either a) Reinforce the public’s oppinion of the president or b) Make us scared and vote him out of office. This isn’t a police state. Name five of your closest friends who have been sitting eating breakfast when a SWAT team crashes into his house and drags him away for no apparent reason, never to be seen again, and THEN its a police state.

Desoto-111, it been a police state ever since the passing of the 14th admendment %| And waiting for election isn’t a check and balance, a check and balance is to prevent such action to be taken in the first place %| What would you say when congress admend the 2 term limitation bill ?

Desoto, by that I did not mean literally, but something resembling it. For lack of a better descriptive term I suppose.