They won’t- again, all industrial printers (in the West) are calibrated for Pantone. This isn’t something you can just causally replace, the entire industry has to replace all their equipment and get new equipment. The earliest this could happen, based on the fact that most enterprise computers are on windows XP or older, would be 20 years, and even Adobe doesn’t have enough money to pull that off
Could you explain me what are you talking about? In my experience, I don’t need to use a Pantone ‘original’ palette at all to send a Pantone colour job to print. Industrial printers calibration has nothing to do with it – the machine gets a Pantone colour code and does its job.
Yes, but how do you send a Pantone code to the machine without using a Pantone code in the original file? As it stands, if you don’t pay, you still use the Pantone colors (because you have to for printing), but they all show up as black. You can’t really design anything working in all black, so you either pay Adobe to see the colors you’re working with or you just have to hope for the best
You’re mixing things up - what the designer has on the screen and what the printer gets. Pantone is just an another spot colour. I can create my own Pantone palette with Pantone code (e.g. Pantone 032C for custom red) and send the project for print.
Yes, upgrading Adobe shit is now problematic. Adobe is simply blackmailing its customers - ‘either you pay us or we will screw your projects’. They act like hackers who have encrypted your data on disk and demand a money. This is something absolutely beyond imagination.
However, I think there is a way out of this situation. You have to hold off on updating the Adobe shit and replace Pantone spot colours with your own spot ‘Pantone’ colours. Yes, this is annoying. Probably someone will create the tool which will make this on-the-fly.
Even if Pantone colours are converted to ‘black’ by Adobe shit, these are technically still the same Pantone colours as before and can be easily swapped with colours from your own ‘Pantone’ palette. These are ‘black’ just for the designer. For printer it is still the same and proper Pantone colour.
I’m really happy that I swapped Adobe apps for Affinity a few years ago and now I’m watching this circus from the sidelines.
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Amen. Me too 
While that may all be true, as a Designer, with clients and deadlines, trying to get the work done, etc are you really going to stuff around and do all of that, hope it all works out or are you just going to pay the $15 a month to save the time and hassle?
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I am saying that Adobe is a hacker who encrypted your project files and demand the money to unlock your own projects. It is your choice whether you want to pay and legalise such practices. You don’t have to pay at all, because the solution is quite simple. Many will pay. Many do not have a shred of dignity.
Well there is not only one industry and also there are different systems/standards .. like @Bob_JP said
see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Color_space
Color systems and standards
- ACES
- ANPA
- Colour Index International
- DIC
- Federal Standard 595
- HKS
- ICC profile
- ISCC–NBS
- Munsell
- NCS
- Ostwald
- Pantone
- RAL
Isn’t it that pantone want the money.. because it’s their colorsystem ??
Wikipedia:
Pantone LLC (stylized as PANTONE ) is a [limited liability company]
so it’s not liabile (
).. also :
Pantone asserts that their lists of color numbers and pigment values are the intellectual property of Pantone and free use of the list is not allowed.
So if someone really have to use it because of the customer.. it could appear at the invoice.. or the customer could be ask to want to pay less while using another system ?
Maybe more general or a bit off-topic:
There was a world before xyz and there will be a world after xyz.. This is not the end of the world ( but maybe like someones know it.. ) Just imagine if noone pays for it anymore.. then Patone goes bankrupt and we all would live in a grey world ?
Going more off-topic now: This remind me of this one..
(This may also be a a wakeup call to be some more open minded and discover new posibilities.. like in the movie ??)
Anyway.. what’s this ??
from Pantone.com
PANTONE CONNECT FOR ADOBE CREATIVE CLOUD
The only way to get 15,000+ Pantone colors in your Adobe workflow!
From Adobe Exchange
Pantone Connect … → Free
Yup, totally, which is why I’ve avoided Adobe since they went subs based or any other company that does the same thing.
But this isn’t Adobe, its Pantone using the Adobe playbook and Adobe saying no, we won’t pay, thus it falls down to the user to deal with Pantone directly.
I assume the Affinity apps also have much the same Pantone colour libraries, if so, its got to be a matter of time before they are forced to do the same thing.
I can’t remember the last time I did a spot color job. I used to thrive on two-color layouts in the 90’s but many digital printers are set up for 4 color exclusively these days. One color is like a photocopy and once you get to three spots it’s more cost-effective to just go with 4 anyway. At that point you can dial in a color from Pantone’s analog CMYK swatch book. Definitely more convenient to just pull a swatch from a menu though. I think Pantone is feeling the pinch of their increasing irrelevance.
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It’s not a matter of time, it just depends if Serif agreed to pay what Pantone wanted or not. If they included it in v2, I guess they agreed 
I imagine the competitive advantage is worth the licensing fees!
EDIT: sorry, replied to the wrong post, but yeah.
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So based on that screen image, no they don’t use the Pantone libraries, so any exact colour matching or mis-matching is the users problem and something to deal with the client.
Based on how it seems Serif feel about Pantone, that won’t be changing anytime soon…
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It can also be read like this:
The Pantone colours you see on the screen are identical to the Pantone® colours. We will not force anyone to pay to use an additional colour palette.
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And if I worked for Pantone and saw that, I’d read it as they have directly copied and violated our copyright, tell the lawyers to sue them now.
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Okay… i have a question… let me explain my (un)knowledge first (somkind of longish):
If in any area (also not directly on computers) the problem of choosing the exact color which is meant to use for any product is solved by using any color matching system. And for this you have to use something like those color fans with names for the colors or even those books… (yes i mean real hardware) then you have to pay for example 192$ or even 382$ (See side-by-side comparisons of how xxx Spot Colors look when printed using CMYK, helping you to convert CMYK to xxx, and vice versa) with RGB and CYMK values and 477$ for the book(s)… At least once… (or every year because the palette is growing… how this come ?? 
)
So if you wanna use this on the computer you have to use the middle priced thing or buy a application which does have this included already or buy any addon for this…in general buy a license to use this system.
So now: if this is getting to expensive for me then i could ask my clients to use any other system or even give me the RGB colors ? Even then i now just wonder… what color management system do you have to use then?? (but that’s already another question).
Also it’s not the RGB color which is licensed but the name for a special red or green or any mix (except for some special combinations which are licensed/trademarked or whatever to some componies… ← but this is not the topicher but also very crazy)… again you pay for this service… to know the exact color values.
So the next question which do arise for me is… if i’m so dependent of this one and only system… then i knew and have to do so…
So pardon my ignorance (my actual second question): But what is this uproar all about… Adobe couldn’t come to any agreement with Pantone and if you wanna use this system you have to pay Pantone directly.
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Just a moment ago you interpreted it completely differently, so even if you worked for Pantone you wouldn’t sue anyone.
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Serif pays a license for Pantone. If they didn’t they couldn’t even try to have the palette in Affinity without being sued (I can imagine that Pantone is aggressively defending its system).
That warning isn’t about licensing terms, it’s about the fact that some inks can’t be reproduced on your screen (the hex codes provided more or less point to something similar to the colors you want, but they are fundamentally “dumb numbers”). See the information provided by Serif here: https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/128446-the-publisher-does-not-correctly-transfer-the-colors-from-pantone-to-cmyk/
It’s about a technical limit, it’s not about licensing with Pantone.
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No I didn’t. My initial interpretation was of the screenshot, which seemed to be saying they don’t have exact Pantone colour matching and hence what you see isn’t what your going to get.
My second interpretation was based on your statement, which read like Affinity had exact Pantone matching but it wasn’t actual Pantone system, so basically a copy.
So given that post is 2 years old, as you say, it’s got nothing to do with the current licensing issue that Pantone are now pushing. And therefor likely has no baring on if Pantone will try the same thing with Serif that they are now doing with Adobe.
You’re never sure whether what you see on screen will be what it will be in print. Whether you use Affinity or Adobe software. The computer screen is just a (better or worse) approximation. That’s why it’s recommended to use printed, physical probes.
This is absolute bullshit if someone claims that by using Adobe software will get better results than Affinity because of paying for an additional Pantone palette.
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