Can you please inform me (if you know) how these renders have been chosen for the gallery? Is it the rating? Is it the banner? Is there some mysterious voting system? Is it the moderators?
If ‘the moderators’ is the case then I have to leave because a freeware dedicated forum has to be democratic as possible. Or even reasonable enough.
In general speaking, this gallery is one of the worst you can visit in this small 3d world. IMO of course. A few great ones and some of not so great IMO.
As some friends told me… “this blender app isn’t good, we visited the gallery and we haven’t seen much, 3dmax, LW, maya, modo etc and most of all zbrush are greater apps possibly. The gallery shows the truth” This is what people says
I say, “bad taste” in some cases. Far away from art in some more cases. Some very good renders, but fortunately these are made by friends.
As far s I am aware they are chosen by Mods and Admins. If a finished work has a high rating then I’m sure the more likely it will end up in the gallery.
Remember this forum is not a democracy.
Yep, gallery selected by mods, and some strange choices for sure… (though before some-one else says it) I’m probably just bitter no-one ever selected any of my stuff
at least it seems to be updated now… There was a time not so long ago where seemingly nothing got added for over a year…
I’ve regularly seen a lot more accomplished stuff in finished projects… but art is subjective.
Given how popular the main gallery is (back when you could see how many active viewers there are) the main gallery always seemed 4- 10 times more viewers than finished projects.
I agree that it’s probably not the best promotional tool for blender… especially as I regularly see stuff I’d put in the gallery in finished projects and am often surprised at the choices that actually make it there.
I must say, selfishly that I don’t care too much for what other’s think of blender… what I think about blender is most important… and my work should stand by itself regardless of what it was made in…
As far s I am aware they are chosen by Mods and Admins. If a finished work has a high rating then I’m sure the more likely it will end up in the gallery.
Remember this forum is not a democracy.
It doesn’t make sense at all. High rating doesn’t go to gallery always. So its not democracy you say, its not meritocracy either I say. This could explain the bad taste. This could explain why some work gained prices (even from blender official) but when posted here, only a few seemed to care. These are signs of a dead end.
No it doesn’t. I could write an app for the world to use, but never share or allow input from the users, but it would still be freeware. Secondly, this forum is not controlled or funded by the Blender Foundation, the “makers” of the freeware.
Companies that charge $600 to $4000 dollars for a seat and is used by large companies where 100’s of seats are needed can afford to hire professional artists to use their product to make it look better to further sales. Additionally, since Blender is free, anyone can try 3D so the shear number of hobbyist using Blender can “mud the pool” of the “professional” art.
What I’m beating at, is if you are new to 3D or a hobbyist and selecting an application and you use a gallery to decide if you should spend $600 to $4000 dollars for an application just to make gallery grade art, I think you’ll be quite sad. Now, if you are professionally trained and picking an app, you’re seasoned enough to already know what the packages are capable of and wise enough to not base your decisions off of the gallery.
Don’t judge a book by it’s cover (it’s the artist, not the tool) and not all apples in the bunch taste the same (not all users have the same skills).
Also note, no where in my response have I declared any apps good, bad, better or worse then one another.
I’m probably just bitter no-one ever selected any of my stuff
this can be answered like this
But, yeah, good luck finding a ‘democratic’ forum
Am I joking now?
OK it isn’t a freeware app, it wasn’t precise what I said. Sorry.
But I found some forums where meritocracy and good taste prevails. Its not what I want but its a reasonable choice.
In love with blender, I mostly and selfishly agree with MichaelW’s statement.
I have seen a lot of excellent works here but not in gallery. Its the new UI of this forum that made me write these comments. Of bad taste as well. IMO of course.
It is this red greek commercial now “eat as much as you like” you’re probably looking at something similar. So I have to eat as much as I like. LOL
Update: Please try to explain what we see in this gallery and what we don’t. This is the issue.
As about the artist and his tools, the artist does what he can, the tools maker, what about him? This is the issue, not the artist.
very strange
So its not democracy you say
then it is a dictatorship?
weird cause here you can say almost anything you want (almost)
even if it does make sense or be insaine!
but looks like for the gallery only the gods can choose!
there should a polls so people can vote on what is good or not and then based on this vote adminis can decide what to keep or not but may be the gods will refuse this suggestion!
When its not democracy it doesn’t mean that is dictatorship (an older greek like me has something to say on this, even I was a child that time lol). But when I also see some bad taste then… maybe you’re right rickyblender.
I made a huge list of finished projects that I thought that could go into the gallery and they made it. You could do the same. Don’t feel bad if you put your stuff as a candidate. Also the mods don’t have the time to dig in finished projects.
ps. I know the frustration of not having your own work in the gallery. When I got my first work in there I was truly happy but it feels I only got in there because I made a fuss about it. Well, if it worked, who cares.
The moderators and admins pick threads from the Finished Projects / WIP and focused critique forums for the gallery. Our decision is heavily influenced by the rating of the thread (and the number of votes). However, we are also free to pick and choose what we find “gallery worthy”. Please note that the gallery is not meant as a static “best-of-the-best-of-the-best” gallery. It’s a dynamic gallery that shows the latest art from the forum that are highly rated (by us AND the visitors).
btw, the 3 images 3dementia picked above have all been in the gallery.
If you are unhappy with our picks, I suggest you keep voting for stuff you like and also make great art yourself.
However, we are also free to pick and choose what we find “gallery worthy”
Whatever democratic or not is this forum, I’m simply saying that IMO you have some bad taste, administrators, moderators, site designers and so on. Its my opinion only. Do what you like. You maybe find that you aren’t as free as you think though. Nobody is. See how:
Let me be selfish now. I had two banners and lot of 5*. Lot of visits too. Why my last banner-stuff isn’t in gallery but lot of other posted at same time are? It possibly doesn’t belong there, its not finished anyway and it was boring to see it on banner for many weeks. But an explanation could be nice because its a good example. Is there a reason when you’re picking something for the gallery? Or its just a moments choice? I’m trying to avoid specific critics on works I’m seeing there, the only I could achieve is to bitter some people. I don’t like this. But please try to explain.
Otherwise, to explain means democracy and we don’t have such a thing here.
About democracy, to make it more clear, some people are confused maybe.
From Project Gutenberg’s The History of the Peloponnesian War, by Thucydides
“Our constitution does not copy the laws of neighbouring states; we are
rather a pattern to others than imitators ourselves. Its administration
favours the many instead of the few; this is why it is called a
democracy. If we look to the laws, they afford equal justice to all in
their private differences; if no social standing, advancement in public
life falls to reputation for capacity, class considerations not being
allowed to interfere with merit; nor again does poverty bar the way, if
a man is able to serve the state, he is not hindered by the obscurity of
his condition. The freedom which we enjoy in our government extends also
to our ordinary life. There, far from exercising a jealous surveillance
over each other, we do not feel called upon to be angry with our
neighbour for doing what he likes, or even to indulge in those injurious
looks which cannot fail to be offensive, although they inflict no
positive penalty. But all this ease in our private relations does not
make us lawless as citizens. Against this fear is our chief safeguard,
teaching us to obey the magistrates and the laws, particularly such as
regard the protection of the injured, whether they are actually on the
statute book, or belong to that code which, although unwritten, yet
cannot be broken without acknowledged disgrace…”
Michalis, the moderators and admins of this forum, all of which are blender artists and developers themselves, and many of which, such as goofster, who have been here since the dawn of blender, have served the blender foundation selflessly, donating their own time and work here, for years. It is through their efforts that blender exists. I think they are qualified to make decisions, as to what best represents blender, whether or not we agree with them. That aside, the gallery is still in it’s infancy, so why not give it awhile, before jumping on the mods and admins.
I can guarantee you that we don’t skip your art on purpose and that’s it.
I’m offensive because IMO you have some bad taste.
You’re offensive in a way I’ll never accept. @Modron
I spent so many hours for our common ‘love’ here. I didn’t expect money either. Possibly you too, so many others. I also posted lot of tutorials and renders, explaining blender technics, we all love this app, thats why we are here. But I’m not the only one who can see this dead end. The funny thing is that at the time this argument was taking place, a nice full of air and good taste banner appeared. Airy eyes at last. This is optimistic.
