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Ah yes , just noticed its shrinkwrapped to contour of the eyballl not eyelid, that will cause weird artifacting.
Probabably can report the bug here:
https://developer.blender.org/maniphest/
just make sure to include build, example file and steps to reproduce problem.
@julperado makes a good point

@julperado I’m not sure that would be practicable with all the deformations going on. It might be an option for the scalp though. I should note that in general the hair is being much more cooperative than it was in LW.

@Pixelurge Actually it is shrinkwrapped to the eyelids, but the part that curves up to meet the eyeball has nothing to latch on to, so that gets distorted. It also gets a bit mangled where the corners of the eyelids converge, but so far I think I’m getting away with it.

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You’re right, the deformations could be problematic, I don’t know how good the surface deform modifier can be in this situation. Give it a try with the scalp anyway, the setup is a bit more involved but I believe it makes the whole hair editing easier in the end. :slight_smile:

BTW, I can’t imagine myself doing eyebrows and eyelids one strand at a time, man you are patient and methodical (And it clearly shows in the results). Hats off to you!

EDIT: Forgot to ask, did you use the Principled Hair BSDF for the shader or something else?

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You can try copying the mesh then seperating with ‘P’ it will keep all weights and modifiers. then use a surface deform binding to keep it close to the mesh deform


Note: For anyone interested in this rig its on my gumroad.:
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@julperado It is a bit tedius, but it’s easier to control and looks more natural I find. I probably won’t go as far as individually placing the scalp strands (although I might!). And yes that’s Principled Hair BSDF.

@Pixelurge At the moment I have vellus all over the head and it seems to be handling that OK, but I I’ll keep this in mind if it starts to bog down.

Thanks!

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DUDE! You’re the hand and realistic puppet artist? THAT’S FRIGGING AWESOME!! I got started on my journey heavily inspired by your work, it was mind blowing how you achieved such a result (while at the time I was mucking about in ZBrush making alien faces).

You’re a great artist, and a inspiration!!!

Hi Chris, I didn’t know you, you really are a master! your attention to detail (and patience) makes you stand above the rest, you dissect your subject like a true Renaissance artist, I have less patience :sweat_smile:
Could you give more insight to the proccess of the lids bulge caused by the eyeball? I get it in general but still lack some details

Thanks @AlanIhsan & @onnevan. :blush:

For the eyelid bulge I applied a Warp modifier to the mesh being deformed (not the eyeball as I mistakenly said earlier), and set the “From” object to be an empty inside the pupil, and the “To” object to be an empty in the cornea. The second empty is parented to the first, and the first is parented to the eyeball. Then it’s just a matter of tweaking the radius and curve settings to get the deformation to fit the curvature of the cornea.

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Thank you Chris, now it’s clear. I thought the first bone would be parented to a bone inside the eyeball (to wich the eyeball would be also parented to)

You could do that, it should work the same just as long as the warp modifier is on the eyelid mesh and the warping empties (or bones) are assigned in its properties.

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I always have the same question when doing the eyelids, do I model them closed, half closed or opened, because they have to cover the eye and look nice and not stretch the UV, but then folding them its a bit of a problem, and then if I model them opened, I can’t stretch them enough to cover the eyes and look correct. How do you aproach it?

I modelled mine in a neutral open pose to make it easier to see if it looks right while sculpting/modelling. There’s enough geometry scrunched up to be able to bring the lids down to closed position, and the UVs are edited so that the lids are closed. I don’t know if that’s the best way to go about it - no doubt it will come back to bite me at some point in the future (so far so good though…!).

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Thank you! I just asumed I was doing it wrong, but it seems like I’m not, or at least I’m not the only one XD

Made a quick test with your method and it works great! thank you again (it’s just an aproximation of an eye, just for testing)

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I made a couple of new renders for a header for my newly established Twitter page.

I don’t know what this means for my WIP here (or my website blog (or my YouTube channel for that matter)), since duplicating the information seems like a waste of the internet. I guess we’ll see how it pans out.

@onnevan Nice!

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Multiple sources of the same information is a good thing. It reaches more people. Your work on this project is nuts!

Hello mate, amazing work so Far, got a question, how do u Make sure u got the white in almost like a line between the eyelid and eyeball?

Cheers

Chris, I was wandering if you have succeeded replicating making drivers for the texture morphing in blender, like the wrinkles, etc.,

@rybergs I think you mean this…

… and as predicted it’s not Shrinkwrapped any more because it was drifting too much and intersecting the eyelids and eyeball, which wouldn’t be so much of a concern except that the intersections appear as black artifacts (even though the tear object uses a transparent material).

I’ve spent an inordinate amount of time trying various methods to get it as close to the eyeball/lids as possible without intersecting, and not so far away that there is a discernible gap between them - which is no mean feat, especially now that I’ve made the caruncle more mobile than it was before.

I was able to get the meniscus to conform more snugly by duplicating a ring around the eyelids so that it has the same weights and shape keys, and kept it as part of the main object. There are still some intersections happening in the caruncle though.

The difficulty of all this was compounded by symmetry going out of whack on a regular basis, as well as what I believe to be a bug related to this, which means I can’t use undo while making modifications to the basis.

Here’s what it looks like in motion. As you can see there’s still some driftage:

I think that was more info than you wanted though. :slight_smile:

@onnevan Not as yet, but I’m about to tackle the rest of the face rig so that will probably be back on the agenda shortly.

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@ChrisJones are the eyes a one mesh setup or separate meshes for cornea and the eyeball? If former, are you using some fancy Bump Offset/Parallax Mapping?