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Hofffff
I don’t think it’s erotic, it’s a nude, and it’s different.
Pose I have seen suggest nothing sexual (I thinks)

But it’s possible I don’t have seen all the images.

Your art don’t shock me man. For me it’s juste a nude. nothing else.
okay, okay, it’s very details, and very réalistic, but if you don’t use your models for hard sex pose or suggests poses, I don’t see the problem.
It’s nature, it’s nude only.

But it’s my opinion, and only my opinion… %|
And my opinion can be wrong because it’s just an opinion… :Z

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Dudes and dudettes,

is this still going on? Why can’t we just say: “I like the modelling, but the lights and shadows are a little weak” (that’s just what I think).

It’s obvious now we all see things differently (“looks like kids to me” or “looks like Asian women to me”) and we all interpreted these kind of art differently (“I have no problem with this” or “I think this should be banned”).
But the fact is, it’s CG and in no way pornographic. And even besides that, every person has different feelings about what erotism and pornography means to themselve. Perhaps I have a huge shoe-fetish: “man, those shoes Robertt made last time really turned me on!”. What are you gonna do about it? Ban the shoe-renders?
Just don’t convict someone for being a ‘pedo’ if you can’t be sure he really is. That’s not really… hmm… nice.

Anekdote:
Some years ago I was in a museum in Italy (or perhaps Germany?), and I was resting my hand on a wall. When I looked at my hand I saw it was resting on a photo of the c#nt of an underaged Asian prostitute (part of a huge photo-collage inside the wall). I thought to myself: “what a dirty artist!” Did I ment it? Offcourse not, I didn’t know his motivations and feelings about his work! I also didn’t say: “this is not Art” (I just say: “some Art really is crap!”).

Please don’t judge too fast…

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Could some OP please lock this thread, already? We all now it’s bound to go off-topic eventually anyway%| Let’s move on. We should all be friends :smiley:

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Lived

Varuag, I will be the first to admit that my spelling sucks; all my english papers come back to me bleeding to death with red ink. However, if you’re going to smear somebodies name as badly as that, then at least make it coherent. I found your post a chore to read, and this makes your opinion count for jack all. To accuse PhiloVivero of being an “educated pervert”, or a “skilled maniac” is wrong (same goes to anybody calling him a paedophile). All he has done is failed to accurately depict his subject material (and only in a few small key areas). How many times have you made something, only to have somebody interperate it differently? It all comes down to perspective.

Dear ‘live’ may be my words were bit harsh, I say ‘bit’ as I dont beleive what that guy is doing. Said that as you said it comes down to prespective and so it has. Its my prespective of his antics. I did not understand your words regarding post being un-coherent, I will pass the buck and say you didnt like it, fair enough.

How are you sure that somebody(me) intrepret it differently? Do you have hindsight of such matters. Not intention to ‘jack you’ here. But if I put a point I can defend it, or atleast know what I was doing. How can you explain that guy never replying to the post after one or two posts at the begining, may be doens’t like to reply much or may be we had written to much about his “work”, but certainly there will be more may be… than we know.

gaurav

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Hahaha, if children are the first things that come to your mind when you see nudity, then I think your the one with the problem, lol.

And that was a joke…

Once again, I havn’t read all the posts. The modeling is great, and so are the poses. I think the enviroment and lighting could use a little work.

Good job

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Didn’t really mean to be so harsh on you, sorry. I looked over your website, and I have a great deal of respect for you work. As far as your post being incoherent; it was just that I actually found it really difficult to read it. I don’t mean to offend your posting if you’re not a native english speaker (which I reallise that a lot of people here are not). By different perspective I really meant perception(I should really work on my own clarity before I bag others). I mean, his model is just a bunch of pixels and polygons… Some people here have percieved it as being a young girl, while others have argued back its a women. It just comes down to how you interperate what you are seeing. Having lived in Asia for half my life I’m used to being supprised at how old young looking Asian girls are… I mean, I’ve guessed 18 many a time only to find out they were late 20’s when I actually got around to talking to them. This makes me view girl in the image as around 18-19 years old. Its just my perspective on the matter. Other people have different pasts an therefore they will inevitably view the girl in a different way.

BTW, the only thing PhiloVivero has said that has disterbed me is this quote.

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WEEE! hentai in 3d! make moooore!

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Lived

Well no offence taken, :slight_smile: I was also puting my views forward. As you quoted his words that have some disturbing contents, I agree I might have been too much aggressive but the fact is I beleived what I wrote. :expressionless:

You observation that my words were not coherent, is correct to a good extent, I sould have been more careful. Thanks point noted.

About asians, I do not beleive it again I beleive most the people are refering to chinese IMO, ( most common stance I know, no pun intended). As an Indian I am aware of the anatoimical structure and no I dont think asian womens at age of their maturation (herein refered as 18) have such shorter pelvic region, almost as a younger child.

NO please that is not what it is. They certainly have shorter stature are slender but no. When they are young they look young… Of course it can be argued that in some case it won’t, but hell, we don’t take some cases as basis for constructing our views.

I am not agains nudism, or erotic whatever, it should be done healthly( there goes… open for wild interpretation) is what I beleive in.

WEEE! hentai in 3d! make moooore!

no pun intended to the person, but need I say more about interpretation… :wink:

Before I close…

Adultry as it stands is not a thing to be ‘done’, it is “commited consiously” just like you commit a crime… consiously!

After all when we do some thing too many times its becomes normal, remembder womens shedding clothes in early 90’s was such a taboo, compare it with current times…

regards,
gaurav

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animation please!!! i reeeeeally want an aniomation! pleeeeease!

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Give the poor man a break here.
1- its not like nudity is wrong!!

2- calm down basse_ & other folks, its not like hes showing them in the act of sex.

3- i dont really think that these images are erotic myself, possibly you have put them in the wrong cartegory? Or maybe im not an expert on classification (i dont really follow porographic or erotic art)

4- Honestly these models look about 15-18, sure, what theyre doing makes them look young, but then as said before i dont personally view it as anything wrong (just because theyre naked they cant climb or play ball?).

Another thing is that nudity isnt that uncommon, look at Africa for instance.

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I asked my wife to look at all my images. I asked her how old she thought the model was. She said 25-35.

I repeat. Get an anatomy book. Sorry to be so blunt, but do it. There is nothing about these models to suggest <18 in age. Lack of hair? Go meet an asian woman. Small hips? Go meet a dancer. Big eyes? Okay, you’ve got me. She’s got big eyes. I like big eyes. So sue me.

Answers to questions: There is no actual human model basis for this woman. She is completely from imagination. Except the ears, which I took from MakeHuman. Sometimes fingers or knees or whatever I’ll look at my own body for reference.

Someone said I should subscribe to 3d.sk to learn what anatomy looks like. I already have the subscription. Have had it for about 1.5 months. That, and I’ve been studying (external) human anatomy for about 24 years, so I kind of have a knack for it. 3d.sk is nice. I recommend anyone go buy a subscription. It’s quite cheap.

Antares (et al) – Sorry to cause controversy wherever I go. I don’t really see where it comes from, honestly. Why people think they’re so young is beyond me. I can only guess that those who think they look <18 aren’t used to seeing women with dancer physiques and asian faces. <shrug>

I’m in no hurry to make them look older since I wouldn’t know where to start. They’re already 22-28 (my intended age range). If anyone is so concerned about the age, the .blend’s are right there on my site. Download them and make them older yourself. Share and share alike. Community. It’s a great thing.

As for my dubious history, I’ll come right out with it. I honestly did make a mistake at Blenderman and began posting images and found out after the fact that despite being in France, they were rather prudish about nudity. I’m from the States and I’ll admit it: I stereotyped. I assumed nudity was cool in Europe. Sorry to the Blenderman community. I stirred up your peaceful site for five days. I won’t do it again.

Since then, I challenge anyone to find any inappropriate posts of mine. I always label my posts as “not safe for work” or “nudity” or something fairly clear. Sorry if it isn’t enough for you.

Varuag: I’m not a psychopathic troublemaker, but thanks for your conspiracy theory. The world needs more of those. If you want the real truth behind it all, I’m not an artist, either. I’m actually a database administrator working for a hot silicon valley startup, and I do artwork during the night and on weekends, and I just took up 3D modelling in the last four months. Run that through your conspiracy theory.

On to the technical details, then?

Yes, environment and lighting are fairly simple. My point in using Blender is ORGANIC MODELLING. I’ve concentrated on the modelling interface. I’m almost completely uninterested in rendering technology. I’ve tried various tricks to make the lighting better, to no avail. GI would be nice. Radiosity that actually works would be nice.

I can’t get z-buffer shadows to work right (the shadows always fall in the wrong spots) so all my shadows are crystal clear due to using ray tracing. Ouch.

I can’t get the zblur or glow plugins to work (I guess my Python install is wrong?).

The armature interface for Blender is possibly the worst interface ever. Highlight all bones, press ctrl-N to align roll angles, and it does something totally bone-headed such that paste-pose-flipped no longer works. You can’t batch-rename a billion bones. The list goes on.

Blender is real cool. I think given another 12-18 months it’ll actually be ready for (serious) organic modelling. Look at the MakeHuman project. (My next step will probably be integrating my model into the MakeHuman structure).

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philovivero

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Heh. You won’t get it from me. I don’t have the time in my day to make a mesh. I certainly don’t have time to rig it. And there’s no way I’ll ever even think about having the time for animation.

Again. .blend on my site. Download it. Animate it. Impress us! :smiley: …

But in all seriousness, I doubt I have what it takes to be an animator. As others have pointed out, even the modelling is pretty simplistic, and if you look at the rig you’ll find it’s cut a few corners as well.

My goal will never be to be a serious 3D artist. I’m more about building community. That is, I’m trying to provide the basis for others (who actually have modelling, rigging, and animating talent) to make some really cool things.

Someone out there wants to make an animation with a really cute nude woman. I know it. But that person never had the mesh or the rig to get it done. Well, starting about a month ago, that all changed, didn’t it?

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I think you’re misinterpreting me.

I’m following the conversation between yourself and Varuag carefully, and I’m kind of curious where Varuag gets his opinion of me. I think he’s misinterpreting me as well.

He says I’m here to stir up s–t, essentially. But let’s look at the facts here.

  1. I’m contributing CONCRETE, useful criticism about Blender’s organic modelling deficiencies on blender.org.

  2. Every site I run makes less than US$10/year (you read that right). I am not about making money for my work. I’m about building community (which is more valuable to me).

  3. I’m an avid contributer to the Open Source community, and have been for going on a decade now. I’m LETTING PEOPLE DOWNLOAD MY .BLENDs FREE. Anyone can modify them and redistribute them under the CC Share-Share Alike license. There’s a lot of learning potential there.

  4. I’ve stated repeatedly my models portray subjects >18 years old, but none of that really matters, since there is no reference model. Even if they looked <18 (and they don’t, let’s be honest), there STILL WOULD BE NOTHING WRONG because…

  5. …portraying nude children is not illegal. Nor is it immoral or unethical. Neither in the United States nor Europe. It probably is in Saudi Arabia, but let’s be honest. We don’t want to live there.

  6. I hate violence. I hate killing. I hate fighting. Boxing matches make me ill. American football makes me ill. Horror and violent movies make me ill. The Iraqi war makes me ill. But I like nudity. Let’s be honest here. We’d all rather the world was full of more people who made love, not war.

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Honestly, all I can say is that the models are very good ones, so are the poses. There are some minor issues in the mesh deformation in some pose, but nothing particulary evident.
The part that is lacking, IMO, is the lightning one.
Nothing against nudity: the best painters and sculptors in the story used nudity at every age…
Very good job.

Env

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I don’t suppose that this would be conidered cross-posting?

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Im suprised that this topic has 4 pages. :expressionless:
I saw this topic in Blenderman too, and uh, its just a bloody model.
Not pornographic, nor erotic, just nude.

I mean, bleh.

They are happy. Look at their smiles.
World needs more smiling.

Definetly.

Pommac!

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Yes! You nailed it on the head here. You will never see my models in several common poses, and you’ll rarely see any of my models from behind. Why? Because the mesh deforms EXTREMELY BADLY at the universal joints (hips, shoulders, neck).

I need, need, NEED NEED RVKs that are tied to joint rotation angles! Without that, you will always be able to make this criticism of my (posed) models.

Additionally, I have several bones in her that are specifically to fix joint deformation errors. I suspect that people who’ve tried to use my .blend to make dramatic poses will have a lot of complaints about the difficulty of it. It’d be nice to eliminate those extraneous bones with RVKs.

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I looked at your blend files and I have to say that the overal proportions are really good and look adult to me.
I think you should work more on the faces. They don’t have the same quality as your models. the eyes are too big, the nose too, and the lips are too thick. the proportions of the faces are those of a teen, not an adult .

that, combined with their childish poses make them look younger than what they should look :slight_smile:

But, i have to say that the your mesh is really good :slight_smile:

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Having looked at the pics I can sorta see what the problem is - the physique is entirely plausible for a female from 12-13 to 30, asian or otherwise. People do not all age at the same rate or develop in the same way. There is near infinite variety to the human form, and to human behavior. I’ve seen plenty of older women acting like school girls too. That the character is posed playfully does not mean she’s a child. The only thing that could possibly be a clue is the lack of under arm hair and sparse pubic hair. Both are fashion statements in American culture. I’ve heard European women don’t shave their pits, most American women do. Pubic hair can get an even wider variety of treatments.

I wouldn’t try to judge by the skin - it’s clear that PhiloVivero didn’t do much with it. We can’t all be texture artists.

PhiloVivero - I’m only going to comment on the modelling since you say that’s the only thing you’re interested in. Overall it looks good to me. It needs more fine tuning of the details, but you’ve gotten it far enough along that I think you can get it the rest of the way if you want to.

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I’ve heard European women don’t shave their pits

Really? Thank God I don’t live in that part of Europe! :smiley: