Real debate on society and morals

If it’s only replys tour the US, then forget it, it’s too one sided to define morals by one country or state. But I believe in moral relivitisam and the rest of the US should as well, not to enforce these sudo christanality on everyone. And no adult isn’t define on one magic number, it could be anywhere from 8-marriage or whatever the morals and culture of that society. America shouldn’t be a christian country, it is made of people from all over the world. When you have that many people and culture all mix into one country, it will be more peacefull to leave it tour the indivisial, otherwise you are going to have a Jihad on your hands.

Selfishness is good in my opinion, its better then using morality, free world, civialize world and global Democracy to justicfy global tyranny and dictatorship.

I have no concern for respect or what an indivisial do to one self. But if you want to die you going have to ask yourself, you going to do it yourself or you plan on having someone do it for you and benifiting something good at the same time ?

I didn’t mean science for drugs and sex but maturity of an adult or a consenting age. This is one thing that can’t be proven by science, it’s a matter of culture and morals of one society. It is true that dependency is define by age, but that is also seperate as a consenting adults.

Copper indians and the lost tribes of Brizal share there wives and there children, while in Iran only men can reach adult hood, marry a women any age they choose. “8” according tour the toran is the youngest. The lost tibes of Brizal are only consider an adult after some rictial, they put a sharp steack through the ears, this is mostly age 11, I think, they also have a festable once a year called bored day, which is some mating holiday that any age can take place in.

In Puru, they use coco leaves for traveling up the mountains because the air is so thin up there, while it is western morality that is responsable for the victious brutelity of the people in South America and Puru.

Going by the bible is the most dangerous act a person can take, because both good and bad can be justify by a bible and that makes me a firm believer of seperation of church and state.

I would like to see you off it.

Look at what you just said, “… I believe in…” and “… the rest of the US should as well”.

You are merely setting up a situation in which you can justify your own actions.

It’s not, but it was founded with certain standards. You could think of them much like ethics in business, just a set of common standards.

Again, you merely want a situation to allow you to justify yourself.

I spend a lot of my time working with people with depression and bipolar. I run the local support group here in town. Why? Because I’m thinking of more than myself. I see the potential in others and not only want to, but need to help.

Again your statement supports only selfishness and support to your own cause with no thought to the whole.

You just simply repeated what I said. But you didn’t say that the first time. What you said the first time was just messed up beyond understanding.

So? That is why there is individual cultures and countries. You are simply stating situations and not showing their relevance.

Your arguments thus far has closely resembled that of a teenager trying to convince his parents why he/she should be allowed to stay out as long as they want. Try debating from the third-person point of view instead of the first.

Just as you do with politics and the concept of freedom.

I am not that stupid.

Just like I used to think before I was on my meds.

ahhhh, so its the medication talking… get back to us when you have a clear mind and your own thoughts :slight_smile:

if you claim to be a in a clear state of mind now, how could you really know? just as you think my mind is chaotic, i beleive it is sound and stable… it is the same situation reversed that you fail to see

What many see as imprisonment by the world, is merely to hide from the realization that they imprison themselves.

im imprisoning myself? your the one talking about boundaries, and clear sets of rules that must be maintained to keep LIMITS on everyone and their own minds and own ability to consciously think or not think about the role morality will play in their lives… you want to limit peoples minds and their physical acts… and you yourself are now dependent on pills to maintain your own personal prision when you ironically think your ridding yourself of it… this new found ego of yours was “coincidentally” founded the same period of time you started taking these pills… thats a clear indication that your mind and thoughts have been compromised, whether good or bad, but how can you really know? if you cant see that every person has a great amount of faith in their own beleif, whether right or wrong, how can you not see the possiblity of wrongness in your own?

I am not that stupid.

stupid is as stupid does

Life is like a box of choclate, you never know what you going get.

Acastro, I’ll be frank with you, I don’t see this topic contributing to anyone, I nearly believe you are trying to justicfy your opinion as well as my own, so I just refrain from this topic.

And for the record, I do alot of good deeds.

Life is like a box of choclate, you never know what you going get.

chances are ill choose something chocolate :wink:

Coming from someone who knows nothing about the physiology of the condition involved nor of the actions of the medications. You don’t even believe doctors, so of course you don’t believe me. To you, you will always be right.

You do not like what I say merely because you are afraid of it. If you think it’s just my ego, then go talk to a psychiatrist and you will think he also has an ego. Now if I said school is stupid and doctors are dumb, you would most likely agree with me. So in other words, the only way I would not appear ‘egotistical’ to you is if I dropped out of school and chose to deny the truth.

Al_Capone and Blengine:

Why does it seem once a topic reaches a certain point of maturity where your opinions no longer hold up, you hi-jack them with dumb replies?

If you are so right, and Al_Capone, you seem to devote so much time and effort to the topic, howcome when things start looking stale you can not re-state your argument or even pose a different example. It seems you just throw up one example, then if nobody subscribes, it is useless so you lable it futile. That is not mature nor responsible debating. It only goes to weaken your case in the future.

Guess that just goes to show the maturity involved.

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… and you yourself are now dependent on pills to maintain your own personal prision when you ironically think your ridding yourself of it…

Even if you are right and acasto is “imprisoned”, his situation is not worst from what it was before he started taking the meds…

You see he was never free… He was imprisoned even before… Behind a wall of “illusions”…

At least now he managed to get a better “cell” and the hope that one day he will be free…

From many aspects, we all are not free and we will never be…

From the time we are borned till the day that we die, the “decisions” are not ours…

We weren’t “asked” if we wanted to be brought to this world… And “Charos”, will not give you a call, to ask you first, if you are “available” today…

All it matters is, if we have the chance to choose our prison… If you had to choose between Alkatraz and being self-confined in your own house, which one would you choose???

Why does it seem once a topic reaches a certain point of maturity where your opinions no longer hold up, you hi-jack them with dumb replies?

lol why does it seem when people have thoughts other than yours, you resort to immature personal attacks!

Coming from someone who knows nothing about the physiology of the condition involved nor of the actions of the medications.

you assume i have not researched it? talk about overwhelming ignorance! all your mind is is assumptions… why dont you get some concrete individual thoughts before blasting everyone elses…

To you, you will always be right.

i admit my own possiblity of wrongness, unlike you up on your high almighty self proclaimed pedistal of pestilence! if anyone thinks they are always right, it is obviously you… you are blind to your own prison, and you are blind to your own ignorance

You don’t even believe doctors, so of course you don’t believe me.

lol i dont beleive in doctors? whether or not someone beleives in doctors, they obviously exist :wink:

So in other words, the only way I would not appear ‘egotistical’ to you is if I dropped out of school and chose to deny the truth.

lol hey you have somehting in common with doogs now… if i say anything that threatens to tear down your false wall of inteligence, you result to childish remarks about me dropping out… i do not deny truth. i do not deny any possiblity, i ‘merely’ question it all becuase i am not such a fool to devot my entirely mind to any seemingly concret belief when there may be an infinite number of other explanations… unlike you would have us beleive, facts are hard to come by, especially when dealing with something abstract, so there is possibility for everything, even for you to cut your puppet strings and open your eyes to a world of people who may not beleive everything you do… a world where you are not always right

and to lighten the situation with a few remarks about chocolate takes smarts… if the situation stays light, we can keep our cool, and think straight… but if some fool like you comes along and mucks it up with worthless dribble, its no longer clean, instead, it turns immature, it turns rowdy, and it turns personal as you have shown us with your little display of fear… we just follow the leader… acasto has built us a nice prison of immaturity, unfortubately, hes locked in here with us

Those are insult Acasto, at least I refrain from calling people stupid or inmature.

Those are insult Acasto, at least I refrain from calling people stupid or inmature.

hehe, not me, ‘if the shoe fits’, wack him over the head with it and steal his wallet…

Those are insult Acasto, at least I refrain from calling people stupid or inmature.[/quote]

Al_Capone:

I refered to your posts as being stupid and their act immature, which the are. Again, why not re-assert your case in a more supportive fashion? Why not fight better for your beliefs? You believe so strongly, yet are first to give up.

Although I do not agree with much of what you say, you must learn to fight better for what you believe in. You even admitted in an earlier topic, that what you are doing is whining. If you are really serious in what you believe, to gain any respect, you must take it more seroiusly.

I am not trying to attack you, so don’t take it personally. But anyone can start an endless number of threads about thier thoughts, just look at Cubefan. But few can continue a debate with constant analysis and presentation. You will hardly ever turn someone from their ideals, especially on something as simple as an internet forum. But by debating and having your own thoughts and ideas challenged, you may learn something more about your idea.

The goal is to better develop a vision, not a passion. Use the passion to drive the vision in which you make your case.

But few can continue a debate with constant analysis and presentation.

and as proven, none can resist the tempt to resort to personal attacks :stuck_out_tongue:

Listen, if you want truth, then look at the history books, it’s clear that morality cause terrorisem, just because I prefer to have less, doesn’t make it worst.

Just look at yourself, you hide from everything, even life. However people like you are very creative and good at things. You continually take on ventures and hobbies, only to get real good and drop them. Perhaps fear that trying to achieve mastery will result in failure. The internet is very theraputic thought for this state. One can seemingly be in control and powerful, the world only sees the face of their creativity, which is great. But at the same time can still remain hidden from the real world.

The night is so grand, is it not? Such a great place to hide from the sun.

I had a guy with an attitude just like yours at group one night. He seemed very in control, off his meds and supposedly doing well. That night though he came out to a club with us where he proceeded to start a fight for no reason. So you know what happened? I banned him from the group and his girlfriend threw him in the psychiatric-ward for a week. Even after all that, and all the people seeing the obvious problem, he still insisted he had no problem.

Just look at your sig. You most likely prefer your cyber-self to your real-self. Oh yeah, and the skateboarding. Because we can not sleep all the time or be online every minute, there must be something to prove the real world is not so bad. It often becomes obsessive, because it is what makes the real world worth being in. A continual search for a reason for living.