An argument for re-introducing Blender Internal in version 2.81 (or, 2.80 final)

This can 100% be done with pixel perfect accuracy in After Effects.

Is there any open source alternative to AE yet?

Why use After Effects, when I have Blender? It’s much easier for me. :slight_smile:

Not as complete … AE is really a swiss army knife, it’s hard to compete for open source project with all the feature it has, even if we can argue on how good of a software it is…

Enve seems promising for vector and animation stuff : https://maurycyliebner.github.io/
Natron is interesting for compositing, but you may be laughed at while using it, and indeed one needs some motivation to work around some bugs.
Blender is great to produce animation , motion graphics in 2D/3D , some compositing work, but I guess you know about that one :smiley: , and probably the others too …

I could make a long and inspiring list with these :

http://cinelerra.org/

Don’t try them a day you’ve got something to do, or feeling depressed…

maybe there are other projects that I’ve missed, I would be glad to know about more projects !

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How is this thread still active?

wanna use outdated and removed old blender render engine? Go ahead. No one is stopping you from downloading blender 2.79.
Old computer that can’t handle Eevee or cycles, but it somehow can handle BI? No problem. Use 2.79.

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Even worse as far as FOSS attempts go, projects like Natron make a big splash with a lot of development at first, but then they start losing momentum and lose it quickly. The projects either devolve to a one-man-show or outright become dead. The thing is a FOSS project needs to acquire funding, web infrastructure, a decent community, and volunteer devs. quickly if it wants a shot at surviving for more than a few years.

Yes it was sad how it went …

To get funding and all that’s needed, you need time to build some trust.
I think they wanted to be supported by companies, which could have been great, and companies probably waited for the software to improve… Similarly to many professionals watching closely the development.

But it can take years until the software is getting the attention it’s deserving, like krita, it was there for quite some time but was very bad, until some day everyone start getting interest and using it.

Then the main Natron developer gave up and started to make an alternative to AE but as a commercial product. It’s not release yet but looks promising.

There are a lot of FOSS alternatives in different fields but compositing or motion design never managed to make it successfully…

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And FOSS’ best shot at creating an alternative is, ironically, Blender (in spite of it not being a core priority for the dev. team). Blender’s compositor and sequencer are somehow also the only FOSS solutions that see any kind of development over the long term, which says a lot considering you would think a standalone project would naturally lead to more powerful tooling for free.

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? It took me five minutes to figure these out in Eevee & grease pencil Line art. All real-time, and “aliased” pixel edges to achieve that retro look :slight_smile:

Works in real-time in the viewport.

Transform

Ps a simple trick to display edges only: use a geometry noodle to Delete Geometry: Face/Only Faces.

Addendum I made a quick demo file with added retro effects. Find it here:

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Next best thing: Raspberry 400 $100. I have Blender 2.79 running on it. Pretty cool mini all-in-one keyboard machine.

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Yes !!
Blender is making slow but steady progress, maybe the viewport compositor will bring new interesting possibilities too !
Natron is better as a compositing app, just not as stable …
But , even if both can’t compete with nuke , fusion or even AE they’re still quite useful !

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In master, full frame compositor can be tested in master as experimental feature.
It should output composited render faster.

Viewport compositor should display compositing effects in 3D viewport.
It should allow to play animation with compositing effects in real time in viewport.

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Sooo cool !!!

Thanks a lot @zeauro for telling me that ! I’m going to test that in the upcoming days !
I think it’s an awesome addition to blender and fit really well eevee and grease pencil.
So much cool things are coming into blender these days !!

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Hey sorry to bother you, but , when approximately this as landed to master ?
For now I’ve got fullframe compositor in the experimental tab, but I think it’s something else…
But , My build is like a week older…
Are you sure the viewport compositor is in ?

Thanks again !

It pretty sure is not, and won’t be any time soon, I suppose. Actually I do not think zeauro’s remark about the viewport compositor was related to the other remark about the full frame compositor in master.

The viewport compositor is afaik still in design phase, considered a long term to-do and (presumably) of rather low priority over eevee next (currently being worked on), the vulkan related work and whatever project heist may require Clement Foucault to work on.
My guess is the viewport compositor is still several (future) releases away, might easily get 2023 by then (?).

greetings, Kologe

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Okkk !
Thanks a lot for clarifying that !

Indeed I think I’ve read Zeauro answer a bit too fast, and mix-matched Viewport Compositor and FullFrame compositor, that makes a lot of sense now :smiley:

Thanks again for the in depth answer !

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Pablo in recent blender today said there is gonna be a post in dev blog about viewport compositor so expect news soon. It’s being done by different dev, not Clement.

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FullFrame compositor is just a setting to change in sidebar of Compositor.
When it is used, compositor should benefit of technics used to make Cycles X render full frame.

If you have Cycles X render faster as a full frame than tiled, Compositor should be faster the same way.
If you have better performance for a Cycles X render as a tiled render, it should also be the case for compositor.

Yes ! Because I was a bit sleepy I thought you where talking about viewport compositor both time.
Indeed I already tested FullFrame Compositor, it’s great !
To be really effective having a caching system would be awesome, because you can’t playback your shot realtime even if calculations are quite fast it’s hard to do advanced comp. Viewport Compositor with mitigate that a lot I think, even if as a comp app blender will always be a bit too atypical. Like VSE, but nonetheless being atypical allow for something different that would be hard to do in other apps, on that side it’s great !

For me its a matter of having and older machine and sometime EVEE and Cycles will either freeze the machine or render something that looks like it came out of a mad scientist lab.