sigh threads like this make me regret drifting away from the blender community a bit less… and remind me why I like being at MIT surrounded by people who value the mind regardless of gender. I certainly don’t have a perfect body by anyone’s standards… but it doesn’t seem to bother my girlfriend 
Girlfriend???
Sorry to ask that, but I recall at some point, that someone had mentioned in the past, that you were a girl…
Hmmm…
http://www.projectkooky.com/erika/comics/checkone/checkone.htm
That’s how I feel.
Anyways, we shouldn’t derail this thread away from women-bashing by talking about someone who’s mostly left the community. Carry on 
Timonide wrote:
Girlfriend???
Sorry to ask that, but I recall at some point, that someone had mentioned in the past, that you were a girl…
is there something wrong with two girls liking each other? 8)
i find it really appealing, and even better if they slap each other 
I didn’t read all the thread, the first two pages were so full of smartness i decided to skip the rest… sorry for the others…
i just hope some of you find a girl that is “worth you”
hum… sad people, really sad…
Ciao
Dani
otherwise, to solve the problem, do the right choice from the beggining 
in my opinion …
I’ll turn out the lights and follow through, then i would Slap her for misleading you , after i would make excuses like you’re suddenly ill or are a doctor on call and finally get the hell out as fast as you can (by window if necessary)
No, I didn’t say that all women are shallow, I said most if not all people are shallow. However, as I’m not attracted to men, my resentment is largely directed at certain women (the majority) who are hypocritically shallow and/or liars etc. You are totally right that it works both ways and also that there are the odd few who are genuinely nice people. I just wish there were more of them and that they were attractive. Why is it that attractive people tend to be shallow?
I don’t know if you’ve ever seen Shallow Hal but it highlights the issue very well.
How can someone look average by just thinking it? Adam is a millionaire and Jason is a waiter. I think Adam has more self-belief otherwise I don’t think he would be so successful.
I don’t read such kind of books. The people who write such rubbish, 99% of the cases are total loosers who just want to make some easy money and besides, even if they actually had the slightest clue about the things they are writing for (which they don’t), they certainly couldn’t tell me how to run my life. Every person is unique and their opinions are not applicable to everybody… [/quote]
I don’t read those books regularly myself, I just read that book once because it was quite popular, to see what it had to say. I don’t think what it said was rubbish though, because it seems to have worked for a lot of people in the same way that confidence building classes do. True, not all things are applicable to everybody but some things apply to the majority.
Generally that’s good advice. I could be a murderer though - in which case being myself would not be in my best interests. Also, you have pointed out that I hold some resentment towards women (which isn’t entirely my fault BTW) in which case continuing to be myself probably won’t help. Shouldn’t everyone try to better themselves?
Oh, now I see what you’re going on about. That sort of thing doesn’t bother me after using the internet so much. I didn’t use to even like the use of swearing online as I don’t swear in real life. However, sometimes it’s relaxing to let your feelings take over and let it all out like “BWWWAAAARGH” or whatever it was. I see they removed the sticky.
I don’t understand why either 
. Or euthanasia.
OMG, I give up.
Men are commercialized as objects too y’know (male porn & many TV commercials) but I think you’re right on the lower standard of morals these days.
I don’t believe it’s natural either (BTW that is not to say I think it’s wrong) but I don’t want to get into that again. I also agree that minority groups tend to be a bit obnoxious and I find they argue that they are oppressed and so deserve better treatment than everyone else. Some asylum seekers are like that.
Also, black people seem to have an ongoing feeling of oppression. Are black people still oppressed? I picked up on it when Halle Berry gave her acceptance speech - she was practically accusing the establishment of racism up until she was picked at which point she now becomes some sort of pioneer or whatever. Couldn’t it just have been that there weren’t any black actresses good enough to get the award before?
I suppose it’s a matter of opinion but I doubt these gals could ever become sluts 
http://www.davies.lu/Photos/Black-and-White/Old-woman.jpg
Warning, she’s naked (I think)
Yes I’m omniscient ;). You have a good point that there were indeed ugly prostitutes but they were cheap implying that beauty was still valued more highly than butt-ugliness.
LMAO :D.
Wow, I don’t know what 35 is compared to but I think you must be omniscient. You mean that right from when you were a baby you never, ever studied any of the material contained in the paper? That’s pretty good. 
BTW, that’s me being sarcastic.
I know, that was a bit shallow of dante. Some chlorine in the gene pool might… wait a minute I’m having a deja vu.
I agree with the first part but I’m not so sure on the second. Even when I was at school 15 years ago, I don’t recall under 10s saying fck or sht or using sexually explicit language in front of or directed at authority figures. There have been countless news articles of gangs of under 16s beating people up and some of 12-16 year old rapists and murderers. But I don’t know much about history so that stuff has maybe always been around.
[quote]sounds like a slapper.
self control is a virtue.
Alltaken
agreed.
XtraitorX[/quote]
I didn’t get that the first time round. Do you mean the hypothetical girl in the hypothetical situation sounds like a slapper? I only chose that situation because I thought that related to what people do these days.
What’s wrong with this thread? IMO, there have been a lot of interesting posts. Perhaps you think it’s sexist because I use a woman in the example. I was going to ask what you would do if you were in a similar situation with a guy and found out he wasn’t well endowed but I guess that’s a bit redundant as you prefer girls (and don’t bother about looks 
). Anyway, I’ve seen Sex & the City and I know that women can react in similar ways.
You sound like a feminist - lets get 'er 
. I’m kidding of course 
. What I’d like to know is why you are attracted to women rather than men i.e. what qualities? Are you physically attracted to women or maybe you judge women to be nicer? Also, that cartoon you posted sort of suggested bisexuality or at least an undecided sexuality.
As for preferring MIT, I can’t speak for that particular university but my experience of university was that it’s full of ugly (who tend not to care about looks in general), condescending a-holes who don’t particularly care if they find love or not because they jerk off over finding the next radio pulse to come from outer space or inventing scientific theories that largely matter to no-one etc. and having undergrads butt-kiss them as though they were the chosen few whose minds, morals and personalities excel those of the lunatic asylum the outside world has become. Now, although I don’t like it outside either, I prefer it to university. Anyway, like I said, that’s just my experience.
Well, I’m glad you’re being open-minded about it but if you’d bothered to read the thread instead of just the first post, you would see quite clearly it’s not about women-bashing. It’s only about bashing women who pretend to be something they are not. I’m fairly certain that you would also disapprove of disingenuous people, no?
Heheh, and maybe they take a nice warm bath together and lose the soap. Then I come in to help out ;). You’re right, there’s nothing wrong with two girls liking (or is it spelled licking NQE1?:D) each other. It’s quite hypocritical (write it down please) for anyone to put down homosexuality especially if they watch media containing homosexual acts for pleasure.
You missed some of the best stuff. 
Me too, none of them are good enough though. 
Realists perhaps.
A little ambiguous I’m afraid. Do you write horoscopes by any chance? Only joking. What is the right choice and what beginning are you talking about? Do you mean only date girls/guys who you know are genuine? You kinda have to date girls/guys first don’t you?
I apologize for calling this a “women-bashing” thread; it would be more accurate to say that it shows an objectifying attitude some have that I don’t like (but don’t expect to be able to change). I might question how much respect a person has for another person if their feelings are based only on lust. Of course that’s present in almost every relationship, but hopefully you have some kind of of feelings for the other’s personality and thoughts and creativity, not just treating them like they’re a live version of the porn you watch on your screen.
I do agree that girls who spend their time trying to make themselves look perfect are really annoying. And I wasn’t saying that this thread shouldn’t exist, merely that various people have said things that show attitudes that I find unappealing (and I wonder if they would say the same things if they knew that women were listening?). I’d rather not hash over my sexuality online with a bunch of people I don’t even know; besides, I don’t think it’s very important/relevant.
As for MIT… I’m an undergrad here, and it’s basically nerd heaven (plus a hell’s worth of work to earn it). Lots of staying up late grinding at problem sets, but there’s a feeling of being allies/comrades with your classmates. Maybe because we have a chance to revel in our geekdom and watch Firefly and anime together and think up dumb sleep-deprived math jokes and make shiny strange devices for fun. Sorry if that’s not your thing 
So. What were we talking about again?
Hey that was absolutely sweet… 
And in case you’re wondering, I wouldn’t have a problem even if you were a Marsian…
I wish I’ll have the opportunity to see you again here in the future…
Anyway back to business…
Some people are just borned rich you know. If for example, Adam never actually had to work hard to earn what he has and though his Dad’s money can give him enough self confidence, still that doesn’t make him an expert on relations with other people. You can inherit money, but you can’t inherit character. Character is something that you build day by day, with hard work and knowing your limits…
And your character (believe it or not…) shows up on your “face”… Sometimes what we think as one’s “physical appearance” is actually the projection of their thinking… There’s a reason why they say that beauty is “subjective”…
Criminals are people who have lost their soul. And trying to be honest towards yourself, doesn’t mean that you should stop trying to evolve in something even better. These are two different things…
Ok, I guess you could say that. I probably made some objectifying comments. It’s nice that you’re not like a lot of girls I’ve encountered who just act all aloof and offended at stuff. You seem like a really nice person.
Good point. It’s just hard finding someone who stimulates the same way as porn and is a nice person who I bond with emotionally. I thought I’d found her but she didn’t want me despite the fact I was completely honest and truthful. It hurts so much when a girl just says she’s not interested. She really messed me up. 
Well, you’re probably right there. But online it just isn’t quite so genuine. I mean that post about the blow torch, I doubt anyone would say that in real life and mean it.
That’s understandable. I was just curious if you were homosexual or whatever that you might be able to explain more eloquently to people like dante who think that homosexuality is a mental illness.
My classmates were mostly English and they tended to be a bit condescending so I didn’t bond much. Also I stayed away from uni (I sort of regret that) so I didn’t see people much. But now you describe the things you get up to, I’m not quite so bothered now ;). Anyway, I’m glad you’re enjoying it and I hope you make lots of good friends because as I see it that’s the only thing I missed.
I agree with everything except the martian bit.
I think he ran his own business selling fish or something. But I see the point you’re making later on.
I think you’re right in that some people can be judged by looks and physical beauty can project inner beauty. I know it’s not true in all cases but for example things like earrings and tattoos on men usually indicate a rough personality. I wish I was better at reading signals though. I think guy/girl relationships suffer a lot because of that.
Men are commercialized as objects too y’know (male porn & many TV commercials) but I think you’re right on the lower standard of morals these days.
indeed. But i think your missing the point. Women are commercialized on a much MUCH larger scale.
The phylosophy now is “if it feels good, do it”
This can have obvious reporcusions.
The problem with everyone having their own opinions is that its impossible to tell right from wrong. And if their is no right from wrong, then why would i not be able to get away with killing all of you (thats not a threat btw, its an example.)
Why could someone not just screw their sister? Why is that even considered wrong if there IS not right from wrong?
Why could someone not just steal anything they wanted from a store? Because it would piss off the owner? Who cares! If it feels good, do it!
of course, people in general still view these things as “wrong” but who knows how much longer that will be in effect.
and now im done because im begining to feel a bit like a certian cubefan
But who’s fault is that? Women can choose not to be in objectifying situations like porn and such. People and especially men don’t commercialize women, women do. Women can choose not to wear make-up or try to compete to attract men, it’s a free choice.
AAAAGH! Murderer ;).
Hmmm, I’m not sure where the whole right vs wrong speech comes into things but I think that right vs wrong is generally determined by an implicit majority vote. A lot of the time it is judged by some old fart who writes out the law that gives rapists and murderers tiny 3 year sentences or such, which is not in agreement with public opinion.
I think that although our ancestors would say they paid a high price for our freedom, I think we are all paying the price. It seems that with more freedom we embrace chaos and immorality. But would we prefer less freedom? Less commercialization? As you correctly point out, people will always object to certain things - you can’t please all of the people all of the time.
I agree, I think it’s run outta steam. Lets go and write another 15 pages in the George Bush/politics thread :).
btw, i just wanted to give you props the that AMAZINGLY long post up above.WOW!
Ha ha, I noticed that myself :D. I think it’s my longest post ever. I have a curse or something. I just try too hard to answer all of the people all of the time ;). I’m on Elysiun for a good few hours a day but I only make about 5 posts. Doh 
What on earth are you talking about ? Shouldn’t it be easy to see by the clothes she/he wears ?
Yeah, this isn’t a situation you’ll likely find yourself in. It isn’t like she’s going to take off her pants at which point she’ll stop being cute and become hideous. Besides, are you dating girls whose faces you can’t see or something? Are they hiding in sacks? My lovely girlfriend, who is, admittedly, the most perfect girl ever, looks wonderful clothed, and better undressed. This is typically the case. You’re thinking too much. Go find someone you like. You’re not going to be so appraising as you seem to think once you get them undressed unless you’re a total ass.
Ever heard of shemales? They’re getting more convincing y’know.
Rub it in why don’tcha.
Not sure why that’s a bad thing. Do you mean I should stop contemplating whatifs and just do something about it?
Where do I start looking? Also, are you saying that if I’ve gone that far with a girl and find she actually has man bits then I’m really not going to mind and I would be an ass if I did? If you mean it in the context of the first post that if I disliked her as she was just ugly naked, then maybe I would be an ass but what if she had some sort of infection or such. Surely you wouldn’t proceed. But how do you tell her or get out of the situation?
ps I almost forgot, there was a scene in the nip/tuck series that exactly highlighted this problem. There was a young guy and his girlfriend and they’d known each other for a while. But when she discovered that he was uncircumcised (at the moment I describe), she didn’t want to take it further.
If she has std then tell her, if she’s a he then punch it if it’s a hermaphrodite, they’re half female anyways, what the hell. Uncircumcised is consider normal I think it’s circumcised that means “cut” But I could see what she means it would be like doing it with a dog. Don’t mean to offend anyone who is circumcised.